Author Topic: The Curious Case of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl  (Read 16129 times)

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Re: The Curious Case of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2014, 09:00:28 AM »
If he is so inept why is he accomplishing so much harm to the country ?

You're giving him way too much credit. An idiot can make a decision to harm this country. Snowden, Assange, and the Walker's did it, and none of them are geniuses. Much like Obama, they just hated America and had the access to damage it. That, and make a few bucks in the process.

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Re: The Curious Case of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2014, 10:17:36 AM »
You're giving him way too much credit. An idiot can make a decision to harm this country. Snowden, Assange, and the Walker's did it, and none of them are geniuses. Much like Obama, they just hated America and had the access to damage it. That, and make a few bucks in the process.

I'd agree if it was just one decision.

But it is ALL of them....

Like it is said, even a broken clock is right twice a day, but BO is wrong on everything...if his goal is to help the country.

He is RIGHT on everything if his goal is to destroy the country... and an idiot cannot be right all the time...every time...successful in methods of subverting the Constitution and congress never imagined by any of his predecessors,

He is so inept at doing what he is supposed to do and required by law to do it cannot be stupidity to get it "wrong" in so many ways.

And as far as him caring about public opinion, he might be very concerned about it.   As I posted elsewhere, I have a 'hunch" that he may intend to get public dissatisfaction with his administration to boil over into armed civil resistance calling for Martial Law and suspension of the next presidential election.  If true, his concern with public opinion would be to have it bottom out at the right time interval before the election. 

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Re: The Curious Case of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2014, 10:50:29 AM »
As I posted elsewhere, I have a 'hunch" that he may intend to get public dissatisfaction with his administration to boil over into armed civil resistance calling for Martial Law and suspension of the next presidential election.

That won't happen. He found out being President is work, and a hard job at the same time. He wants no part of it. Especially now that he's been had, and can no longer blame Bush. People don't trust him, and his "likability" factor is all but gone. Sure, 90% of the blacks want him, but that is only because they are color blind and racist.

No matter how high of an opinion you have of yourself, no one wants to be where they aren't wanted. The military would intervene if he tried suspending elections. I think they might before this comes to an end on it's own. This is getting more insane by the day. His own people are abandoning him. This isn't going to end well. Disasters rarely do.

Nixon resigned the Presidency due to his somewhat minor criminal actions. Is it so far fetched that Obama could be forcibly removed from it because of traitorous acts?

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Re: The Curious Case of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2014, 11:29:38 AM »
I do agree that the President is an enemy of this country and wants to radically change things but I think he's even doing a lousy job at that.  Sure he's done plenty of damage America's still isn't dead yet.  Despite his best efforts the US has become of the the greatest energy producers thanks to new technology like fracking.   On a federal level he's been unable to do little to kill the 2nd amendment.  The people on the left aren't exactly thrilled with his record either (but I don't anything makes them happy but that's a different topic). About the only thing BHO has done well is to fool a bunch of clueless people to vote for him.

America is definitely in trouble but we ain't dead yet. 

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Re: The Curious Case of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2014, 11:57:55 AM »
Riddle me this.  Whose idea was it to put up these 5 guys for 1 American?  Was it a condition of the Taliban?  Did BHO put forward these 5 because he knew that the Taliban would be incredibly stupid to turn it down?  Certainly, there must be many lower value detainees that could have been used. If the circumstances of this weren't so tragic, ie the loss of life to capture these high value targets and the loss of life to look for Bergdahl, this would be the worst transaction since the Red Sox traded the Babe to the Yankees.
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Re: The Curious Case of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
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Re: The Curious Case of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2014, 12:28:05 PM »
My Bad!!!  I can answer my own questions as posted above.  As  big fan of Brad Thor novels, I should have recalled reading The First Commandment where the U.S. government releases the five top terrorists in Gitmo!  This was written in 2007!  (As posted in today's The Blaze)
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Re: The Curious Case of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2014, 01:01:44 PM »
Charles Krauthammer said it best. We come out on the losing end of these kind of deals because we are civilized, and value human life. Our enemies do not. Just like the time Israel traded 1,000 terrorists for one Private.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/06/03/krauthammer_part_of_obamas_arrogance_ignorance_to_celebrate_bergdahl_trade.html

It's not "right", as much as it's the best anyone can do and get the guy out. They know we'll bend as a civil society. And they know Obama can be played at the same time because he's sympathetic to the Muslim cause.

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Re: The Curious Case of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2014, 03:14:17 PM »
This, Tom.

And you are right, with his training by his Communist mother and grandparents, not to mention "Uncle Frank (Marshall Davis)", he most certainly is not on America's side in this fight.

And if I were Rommel, I would come back to life just to throat punch you just for comparing bho to Rommel!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D


I don't know about that, Rommel never made it into Egypt or stopped us at Normandy, but BHO has pretty much wrecked every single sector of the US interests in the same length of time it took Rommel to flash in the pan.

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Re: The Curious Case of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
« Reply #38 on: June 05, 2014, 02:15:11 PM »
http://dailysurge.com/2014/06/remember-jay-carney-said-releasing-bergdahl/#dK88Wkt6mc3dW0Df.01

Remember when Jay Carney said this ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCOnwydEzoE



I know, I know. Far be it for a White House Press Secretary to lie…especially one with as spotless a record of truth-telling as Jay Carney. But there he is back in June of 2013, insisting that no decision or negotiation to release terrorist detainees from Guantanamo Bay in exchange for Bowe Bergdahl’s release would occur without having the express consent of the United States Congress. “We would not make any decisions about transfer of any detainees without consulting with Congress and without doing so in accordance with U.S. law,” asserted Jay almost exactly one year ago.

So what changed? Well, the administration’s spin this week is that there was an “urgent and acute” health matter that necessitated the expedited release of Bergdahl…yet they quite arrogantly refuse to specify what that health matter was:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYBVz4xLsk0

But maybe we’re looking in the wrong place. Perhaps the “urgent and acute” health matter was Obama blowing a brain gasket from all the criticism he’s gotten over the VA scandal. So, you know, he “urgently” and “acutely” needed to side-swipe Congress, so the mainstream media will talk about something else for a while. What’s truly amazing is his willingness to do one stupid thing after another if it means he can change the national topic.

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Re: The Curious Case of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
« Reply #39 on: June 05, 2014, 02:36:28 PM »
http://www.newsmax.com/US/Idaho-Bergdahl-hometown/2014/06/04/id/575187/?ns_mail_uid=94501932&ns_mail_job=1572051_06052014&promo_code=pviuctno

Bergdahl's Idaho Hometown Cancels Planned Celebration

Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's hometown abruptly canceled plans Wednesday for a welcome-home celebration, citing concerns over its ability to handle the large crowds — both for and against the soldier — that were expected.

The town of 8,000 has been swamped with hate mail and angry calls over Bergdahl, whose release after five years of Taliban captivity in Afghanistan has touched off a debate over whether the 28-year-old should get a hero's welcome or be punished a deserter.

Meanwhile, the Taliban released a 17-minute video of his handover showing a thin, tense-looking Bergdahl being patted down for explosives by U.S. forces before climbing aboard an American helicopter in the dusty Afghanistan desert.

Just before he was turned over, one of his Taliban captors leaned in and warned him: "Don't come back to Afghanistan. You won't make it out alive next time." His captors waved goodbye as he was led away.

In Hailey, organizers of a celebration that had been scheduled for June 28 issued a statement saying the town doesn't have the means to handle such an event, given the prospect of big crowds on both sides of the debate.

"If you had 10,000 people, 5,000 on one side and 5,000 on the other, then just due to the national attention, we don't know what to expect," Police Chief Jeff Gunter said.

The town has had an event called "Bring Bowe Back" for several years. When news broke over the weekend of Bergdahl's release in exchange for five Taliban detainees at Guantanamo Bay, organizers had announced it would be a welcome-home party instead.

Hailey Chamber of Commerce President Jane Drussel said she and the organization have gotten hate mail and calls from people lambasting the town and branding Bergdahl un-American and a traitor.

"The joy has all of a sudden become not so joyful," she said.

Bergdahl was captured by the Taliban after walking away from his unit, unarmed, in 2009.

U.S. lawmakers and others have also complained that Congress should have been consulted about the prisoner exchange, that the deal will embolden the Taliban to snatch more American soldiers, and that the released Afghans will filter back to the battlefield.

In Washington, Rob Williams, the national intelligence officer for South Asia, told the Senate intelligence committee Tuesday that four of the men are expected to resume activities with the Taliban, according to two senior congressional officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because the session was classified.

The five include the former Taliban interior minister, who was described in a U.S. case file leaked by WikiLeaks as having had close ties to Osama bin Laden; the Taliban's former deputy chief of intelligence; and a former member of a joint Taliban-al-Qaida cell.

The video of Bergdahl after five years in captivity shows a well-choreographed release, with the American sitting in a silver pickup truck while more than a dozen Taliban fighters with machine guns and faces largely covered by scarves stand guard nearby and on a rocky hill overlooking the site.

Wearing traditional loose-fitting Afghan trousers and a long tunic, Bergdahl, his head shaved, blinks frequently and looks tense as he peers out of the truck. At one point, he wipes his eye as if to get rid of some dust.

A Black Hawk helicopter lands, kicking up a cloud of dust. Two Taliban fighters, one carrying a white flag tied to a long, crooked stick, lead Bergdahl, now carrying a plastic bag, halfway toward the chopper.

Three apparent members of U.S. special operations forces approach the group, shake hands with the two Taliban fighters and take Bergdahl toward the helicopter.

One of the three men pats down Bergdahl, while another takes the plastic bag from him and drops it on the ground. Then they all climb into the helicopter.

According to a voiceover on the video, the handover took place around 4 p.m. Saturday in rugged Khost province, near the Pakistani border.

Back in the U.S., Sue Martin, a friend of the Bergdahl family and owner of Zaney's Coffee Shop in Hailey, said Bergdahl's appearance in the video shocked her. She said he looked frail, tired and damaged.

"That's not the Bowe who left here and lived here," Martin said.

Bergdahl was reported to be in stable condition at a military hospital in Germany.

A Taliban statement, also distributed to the media, quoted leader Mullah Mohammad Omar as saying the release of the five Taliban was a significant achievement for the movement.

President Barack Obama has defended the swap, citing a "sacred" obligation to not leave men and women in uniform behind.

On Capitol Hill, Obama's goal of closing the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba faced re-energized opposition from Republicans and increased questioning from fellow Democrats in reaction to the trade.

Hoping to ease mounting criticism, officials from the State Department, Pentagon and intelligence agencies planned a private briefing with senators Wednesday evening.

Some of Bergdahl's former comrades have complained that U.S. soldiers died during the search for him after he walked away. The military has not confirmed such a link.

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said Wednesday that the Army will review the case, and he cautioned against drawing conclusions until then.

"We don't do that in the United States. We rely on facts," he said at a NATO defense ministers meeting in Brussels.

Lee Ann Ferris, a neighbor of the Bergdahls in Hailey, said the town is trying not to pay attention to the criticism of the soldier and the talk about how he fell into Taliban hands.

"It's like a modern-day lynching. He hasn't even been able to give his side of the story yet. This community will welcome him back no matter what," she said.

 

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