When do we start shooting ?

[2HOW]

Just let me know, you know where to find me 

[Jrlobo]

Ulmus, I think you were right, so stand your ground. The USAF (actually it was a general in the old Army Air Corps) once said "if you are taking flak, you must be over the target". When Tom attacks your intelligence or your manhood, well that's just like taking flak. Rastus, thanks for reminding me of the bill of particulars against the King. So how many of them fit the current monarch and do all have be a fit before you act? 

[tombogan03884]

I did this off the top of my head, if any one sees offenses I've missed please post them

•He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.  

No budget since he took office

•He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

Law suit against Az for enforcing Immigration laws

•He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

Obama care

•He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
•He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
•He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
•He has endeavored to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

A bunch of those "Agenda 21 " EPA and BLM "policies" probably fulfill this one

•He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
Philly Black Panther voter intimidation, his meddling in the Gates and Zimmerman cases probably qualifies as well.

•He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

•He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.
Obamacare and Czars

•He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
•He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
•He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their acts of pretended Legislation: ◦For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:  
◦For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
Going to the UN instead of Congress for "war powers" in Libya. Plus, the Ft Hood terrorist has still not seen trial, and of course the 2 seperate drone murders of Alawi and his 16 year old son.

◦For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
◦For imposing taxes on us without our Consent:

Obamacare again.

◦For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
◦For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
◦For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
◦For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
◦For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

•He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
•He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
•He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
•He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
•He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions

His policy of racial and class divisiveness fills this role, but so wouldn't his support for the Muslim Brotherhood uprisings and weapons sales
   

[Jrlobo]

So, if any of those highlighted are high crimes and misdemeanors why don't we impeach him?

[tombogan03884]

So, if any of those highlighted are high crimes and misdemeanors why don't we impeach him?

Because the House has to many nutless RINO's and the Senate is run by his co conspirators.

[Sponsor]

[Ulmus]

Ulmus, I think you were right, so stand your ground. The USAF (actually it was a general in the old Army Air Corps) once said "if you are taking flak, you must be over the target". When Tom attacks your intelligence or your manhood, well that's just like taking flak. Rastus, thanks for reminding me of the bill of particulars against the King. So how many of them fit the current monarch and do all have be a fit before you act?  

Thanks for the kind words.  Tom and I disagree on many things and this one would've just ended up with a lot of time wasted on useless posts that wouldn't change either of our minds.  (In a way, we are similar with our stubborness.    )

The three percenters theory doesn't work for me because I don't see three percent of the three percenters leading.  I've been looking for anyone offering to lead and found only one.  This guy.

http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/02/police-chief-wants-citizens-as-reserve-force-to-defend-against-feds/

I have no idea how many have taken up his offer; but I do know that there are 5681 members here and don't see 168 (3%) agreeing with the notion.  

However, I did forget the entire reason for this post.

The whole purpose of this post is to spark debate  

And that it did. There are 25 members who commented on this post.  (That's 14% of the 3%)  Job well done.  

As for when we start shooting?  It's gotta get much worse than what it is now.  If I was to call it on the Defcon level, I'd say we were at a "3".  There's been group protests and mass letters on our side.  Psychologically the next "aggressive steps" towards a shooting scenario (in theory)  woukd be:

Forced gun confisaction by authorities on a mass scale.  (City, county wide)
Destructive retaliation by civilians.  (arson/riots)
Authorized killing of said civilians by authorities.  (Maybe even accidental)
Bingo!  Shooting scenario.

While I've heard of many states trying to authorize or have authorized confiscation, I've yet to hear of it starting in a mass scale.

Until then, it's just a shouting match.

As far as I'm concerned the question shouldn't be "When do we start shooting?" but "What do we do to prevent a shooting scenario?"

I'd rather try to get my State legislators to create a law/policy/whatever that not only protects what we have now, but insures we can get whatever weapon system is developed in th future as well.

If the state legislator have restricted or coid my 2nd amendment rights, I'd try to get all the pro 2nd amendment county commisioners and city commisioners to rally against the state legislators and their oppressive laws.

That's where are energy needs to be spent on, not distracting posts.

[Solus]

I'm not any kind of sociologist or psychologist but I suspect the shooting might start with the Forced Gun Confiscation.

Didn't hear of that happening during the gun grab with Katrina, but there were neighborhoods where folks did have an armed Neighborhood watch.  Don't know if they were outside the city or inside and wisely left alone.

[Ulmus]

I'm no phsycologist either.  I just look at patterns and trends.

You are right. There is achance the shooting could start with gun confiscation.  It all depends on how it's done, where, and what sort of air play it gets. 

Katrina was a different scenario where the people did not band together but splintered because of the effects and aftermath of the hurricane.  There is no outside force to distract anyone this time.

[Solus]

Was just thinking about how/where people might come together....

Figure maybe I should visit the local VFW and American Legion. 

Might be just talk there...but don't know till you listen in.

[Ulmus]

Great idea.

I'd love to read about what you find.