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Re: Will Trump Win?
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2015, 07:31:42 PM »
Actually that was only one reason.  The other was to give the smaller states (population wise) a bit more influence.  A popular election of presidents would result in these states being even more ignored in favor of the candidates working hard to turn out even more people in the larger states where they have an advantage.

Thanks...I will note that in my "memories"  Take care
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Re: Will Trump Win?
« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2015, 08:05:44 AM »
Too much big money in politics and political patronage for Trump to win.  Too much big money already invested to have someone like him...someone who can't be bought or otherwise influenced...win!

Think about it! 

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Re: Will Trump Win?
« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2015, 08:46:29 AM »
Too much big money in politics and political patronage for Trump to win. Richard

Jeb Bush has reportedly spent over $100,000,000.00 (read $100 MILLION) thus far. Last I heard he's currently polling 3%. "Big Money" doesn't seem to be helping him anymore than his last name is. Money for the candidates has no effect on calming the anger of the voters.

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Re: Will Trump Win?
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2015, 12:43:30 PM »
It's about time that people get mad about politics as usual and do something about it.

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Re: Will Trump Win?
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2015, 03:02:27 PM »
billt, sorry, but the voters don't elect the president.  The Electorial College does.  Watch, big money will play a part in the election.

Richard

PS:  100 Million is chump change to the big money interests.
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Re: Will Trump Win?
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Re: Will Trump Win?
« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2015, 09:11:12 PM »
Jeb Bush has reportedly spent over $100,000,000.00 (read $100 MILLION) thus far. Last I heard he's currently polling 3%. "Big Money" doesn't seem to be helping him anymore than his last name is. Money for the candidates has no effect on calming the anger of the voters.

If that's true, than I suspect that it reflects ad buys that have not aired yet, thus we cannot gauge the effect yet.   Let's not forget that Trump is the definition of big money.  We should never forget that just because he is spending it to get himself elected.

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Re: Will Trump Win?
« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2015, 09:22:45 PM »
billt, sorry, but the voters don't elect the president.  The Electoral College does.  Watch, big money will play a part in the election.

Richard

PS:  100 Million is chump change to the big money interests.

Yet,but so far no member of the Electoral College has ever violated their pledge and voted for someone other than the candidate he or she was pledged to vote for.  What would happen if the election was thrown by rouge members of the Electoral College is anyone's guess - but I doubt it would be good.  An interesting situation would be where the winner of the election does before the electoral college meets - but other than that, I highly doubt that the electors will ever vote for anyone they are not pledged to.

Thus the actual effect of the system is to give small population states slightly greater power in deciding the presidential election.

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Re: Will Trump Win?
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2015, 06:38:38 AM »
Let's not forget that Trump is the definition of big money.  We should never forget that just because he is spending it to get himself elected.

Trump has no super PAC, and he himself is spending nowhere near what the Republican establishment candidates like Bush are currently spending. (This is the real reason why Bush is so angry at Trump). I suspect a lot of them will be folding up their tents after the new year. Especially the ones like Bush who continue to drop into, and remain in the single digits.

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Re: Will Trump Win?
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2015, 06:41:27 AM »
While you're ranting about the Electoral collage remember that "the voters" were never intended to elect the president, or Senators.
Read the constitution, the president is selected by the designated "Electors" , while Senators are supposed to be elected by state legislatures.
What that would accomplish is to make it impossible for one party tocontroll the gov't by pandering to special interests.

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Re: Will Trump Win?
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2015, 07:09:22 AM »
As far as the Electro College, and Presidential elections go, Obama is the 44th President. But there have been 56 elections. Remember that many Presidents have been re-elected, and Gerald Ford was never elected, and FDR served 4 terms, etc. So the numbers don't match up.

All elections were decided by the Electoral College. Only four times in U.S. history, the Electoral College system resulted in election of a candidate for President who had received fewer popular votes nationwide than another candidate. And that was a very slight mismatch overall.

Also, the elections of 1800 and 1824 were tied in the Electoral College, so the House of Representatives made the final decision. But overall, it's a pretty fair bet that the popular vote will decide the Presidency. Trump included. (Assuming he is the nominee). At least the odds are in his favor.

 

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