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Re: Preparing for first build....Sugestions
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2016, 06:10:13 AM »
How strong of a set up is that free float hand guard (or any free float) ?
My only concern with the AR design is that everything forward of the mag well is hanging by only the barrel threads.

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Re: Preparing for first build....Sugestions
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2016, 06:23:10 AM »
Les that was like a "Duh" moment for me.  If I'm not going to hang a coffee maker and an aquarium from the dang thing why do I need key mod or m lock or picatinny? 

Unless I need a fold down front sight I'll stick with the tried and true even with a dot...and save a few bucks there too.

Tom I have the same concerns.  I have a DMR build that floats.  It seems sturdy enough but I always feel like, in the back of my head, that I need to be a bit gentle with the DMR just because.  I haven't shot it enough to know if its going to hold up or not.  Maybe after 4 or 5 thousand rounds I'll have an opinion...  ???

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Re: Preparing for first build....Sugestions
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2016, 07:29:08 AM »
the $35 YHM shown has an aluminum barrel nut that is approx 1.5" long... it uses a 3 pin spanner to tighten... I go to 35 ft-lb and then line up the gas tube for a 5.56, not needed for the 9mm...the barrel nut is externally threaded for the tube itself, and once tightened is pretty stable, though can loosen... I usually add a drop of Loctite....I have a much more expensive $150 Midwest Industries full float on my primary 5.56 that uses a steel barrel nut,  and the tube then clamps to the machined surface of the barrel nut with a pair of cap screws...the top rail is aligned with the receiver with a pair of ears.... very solid


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Re: Preparing for first build....Sugestions
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2016, 10:08:36 AM »
The only free-float I have (I'll be changing my carbine in the future as well) is on a short pistol, but like Les, there is a good 1.5 inches of fine threads...and mine has a locking ring and an extended set-screw that locks into the grooves in the center of the nut. It is very rigid and I don't think that would change if it were any longer.
I paid $30 for the kit that had the nut, fore-end, and four keymod rails with an end cover. I will probably buy the same version, just longer, for my carbine.
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Re: Preparing for first build....Sugestions
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2016, 01:05:13 PM »
Les that was like a "Duh" moment for me.  If I'm not going to hang a coffee maker and an aquarium from the dang thing why do I need key mod or m lock or picatinny? 

Unless I need a fold down front sight I'll stick with the tried and true even with a dot...and save a few bucks there too.

Tom I have the same concerns.  I have a DMR build that floats.  It seems sturdy enough but I always feel like, in the back of my head, that I need to be a bit gentle with the DMR just because.  I haven't shot it enough to know if its going to hold up or not.  Maybe after 4 or 5 thousand rounds I'll have an opinion...  ???




Do not go with the old fashioned front sight !  Unless you lift the red dot about 2 inches all you will see through it is the backsideof the sight post.

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Re: Preparing for first build....Sugestions
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Re: Preparing for first build....Sugestions
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2016, 07:07:20 AM »

Do not go with the old fashioned front sight !  Unless you lift the red dot about 2 inches all you will see through it is the backsideof the sight post.

Tom, I'm OK with an EOTech on that.  I dial it down until I see the 4 middle dots and line up front and rears for zero.  And it does block at the bottom but it gives me co-witness confidence.  It may be worse with one of the other dots. 

I've been working so many hours to hang on the last 4 years, and I'm blessed I know, that I have displaced myself from the shooting I love.  I need to get back up to speed.

Les, I see you like Yankee Hill and you mentioned the Midwest Industries.I've looked at YHM AR parts and like the quality.  I just wanted to make sure in your last sentence that the Midwest Industries was more solid than the YHM?  I'm interested in building some AR's over the next year and I'm trying to get on the bubble about what's new and improved from several years ago.  I am defaulting toward Geissele forends because of their rep 3 years ago but they are pricey and I know price is not a good indicator of quality and utility. 
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« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2016, 03:25:37 PM »
Ruger announced that they'll be selling their AR lowers. I think it was $129 for a stripped lower.
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Re: Preparing for first build....Sugestions
« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2016, 09:56:55 PM »
Rastus... I added the Midwest Industries fore end just before the 2014 Area 6 match as I wanted a smaller diameter off hand grip, so it is a couple of years old now...mine is short, it does not cover the railed gas block, as I wasn't sure I would put the off set front sight on the fore end or the gas block... at the time MI had a good reputation and was somewhat less expensive than others... since then I haven't kept up with what is available... the barrel nut is proprietary and comes with a special spanner to install... like I commented, it appears to be a very solid system with the alignment ears and cap screw pinch lock...I haven't been shooting the 5.56 gun as much as the 9mm PCC and .22 conversion on my SBR... the PCC and .22 upper have the YHM fore ends....regards

pic of the short 9 1/2" .22 for my SBR.... I like the look of the YHM solid fore ends for the shorter guns... shown without a charging handle and bolt as I'm still converting from the 16" .22... switching sights around on the PCC


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Re: Preparing for first build....Sugestions
« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2016, 11:23:56 AM »
Ruger announced that they'll be selling their AR lowers. I think it was $129 for a stripped lower.

Sportsman's Guide has them for $100.... ($90 for members)...limited quantities (3000 units) over the next few months.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/ruger-ar-15-stripped-lower-receiver-multi-caliber?p=e648n&i=689514&ecid=Email-e648n&utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=e648n&om_u=NshXQZ&om_i=_BYNafuB9VYq-hg&em_id=chuck.goins%40yahoo.com

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