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Re: Advice on defensive shotgun loads
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2008, 06:55:55 PM »
If you want to specialize, you can also load "buck and ball" loads---a hybridization of buckshot and slugs.
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Re: Advice on defensive shotgun loads
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2008, 07:36:48 PM »
Quote from: PegLeg45 on September 04, 2008, 06:10:41 PM
Good choice in shotguns.
I have a 1300 Defender with the 8-shot tube.
I load 3 rounds of Remington #4 pheasant loads, then 3 rounds of Remington 00 Buck, and 2 rounds of Winchester Slugs.
I hope I never need it, but I think it will help me get the job done....or....at least get me to more firepower.


  I have the same, going to put a speed feed pistol grip stock and some good sites, along with some other goodies. I have been loading #4 but after 30 ft. its not very effective. Ive had the gun for a long time and its time to get it up to par and ready to go.
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Re: Advice on defensive shotgun loads
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2008, 10:45:41 PM »
#4 not effective past 10 yards? Something isn't right.
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Re: Advice on defensive shotgun loads
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2008, 11:07:50 PM »
It would be effective on me a lot farther out than that.  ;D You must expect a lot tougher varmints.
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Re: Advice on defensive shotgun loads
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2008, 12:28:18 AM »
Quote from: sanjuanweb on September 04, 2008, 06:55:55 PM
If you want to specialize, you can also load "buck and ball" loads---a hybridization of buckshot and slugs.

 I like many others refer to this type of loading as "candy striping" and is done with many variations of loads, but in a house I use a 6  or 8 for the first 2 rounds then follows by a slug and then back to the standard  number 6. For out in the woods where I mifgt meet up with Mr. and Mrs. Yogi and the little ones its all slugs!
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Re: Advice on defensive shotgun loads
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Re: Advice on defensive shotgun loads
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2008, 01:25:06 AM »
Buck and ball was around in colonial times. George Washinton even used it. You drop a round ball down the musket barrel followed by some buckshot so you have it all in one shot. Even near misses count.  :)  Hand-loading your own shotgun shells would be cheaper but I've seen loaded buck and ball ammo for sale too. The best deal I've found is at the Sportsman's Guide. It's a .65 caliber ball and 6 #1 Buckshot. http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=377126 Duplex loads are along the same lines but have buck and birdshot or two birdshot sizes instead of a slug or round ball in it.
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Re: Advice on defensive shotgun loads
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2008, 11:07:44 AM »
Quote from: jumbofrank on September 05, 2008, 01:25:06 AM
Buck and ball was around in colonial times. George Washinton even used it. You drop a round ball down the musket barrel followed by some buckshot so you have it all in one shot. Even near misses count.  :)  Hand-loading your own shotgun shells would be cheaper but I've seen loaded buck and ball ammo for sale too. The best deal I've found is at the Sportsman's Guide. It's a .65 caliber ball and 6 #1 Buckshot. http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=377126 Duplex loads are along the same lines but have buck and birdshot or two birdshot sizes instead of a slug or round ball in it.

It was also a standard load for muskets in the early days of the Civil war.
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Re: Advice on defensive shotgun loads
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2008, 03:48:12 PM »
Quote from: jumbofrank on September 05, 2008, 01:25:06 AM
Buck and ball was around in colonial times. George Washinton even used it. You drop a round ball down the musket barrel followed by some buckshot so you have it all in one shot. Even near misses count.  :)  Hand-loading your own shotgun shells would be cheaper but I've seen loaded buck and ball ammo for sale too. The best deal I've found is at the Sportsman's Guide. It's a .65 caliber ball and 6 #1 Buckshot. http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=377126 Duplex loads are along the same lines but have buck and birdshot or two birdshot sizes instead of a slug or round ball in it.

I've have this same load in my FN Police Shotgun (Winchester 1300).  I think it would be pretty effective in any situation.  Buyer comments from sportsman's guide below:

Very impressive, will be ordering this item again in the future
JOE / KAREN L, FLOODWOOD, MN  8/27/2008 9:20:36 AM
 
Awesome
JAMES W, DERRY, NH  8/5/2008 1:49:48 PM
 
Awesome pattern at 25 yards.
KRISTOPHER, BRISTOL, FL  8/5/2008 8:37:35 AM 

Good deal and good product
GREGG, FEDERAL WAY, WA  8/2/2008 8:56:07 AM
 
THEY ARE A GREAT SHELL
GREGORY R, SEYMOUR, TN  7/20/2008 8:33:34 AM 

THEY WILL DO THE JOB
GREGORY R, SEYMOUR, TN  7/8/2008 9:48:14 AM 

Perfect for when you can't decide between a slug and buckshot. Great performance.
CLIFF, KALISPELL, MT  6/3/2008 8:56:31 PM 

I've never seen these anywhere else, and feel it's a great home defense round....hope I never have to try it. I'd feel sorry for whoever is on the wrong side of this load!
KEVIN, RIVERSIDE, CA  5/29/2008 10:11:20 AM 
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Re: Advice on defensive shotgun loads
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2008, 08:00:40 PM »
I remember reading long ago that #4 Buck was shown by the military to be the optimum vacination for bad guys. I may have run across it in Ackley or one of the other writers back in the 60's.
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Re: Advice on defensive shotgun loads
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2008, 09:39:30 PM »
When I used Buckshot for home defense it was #4. I think 27 pellets is 3 times as good as 9 pellets. At my range it has all the penetration I need and would make 3 times as many holes as 00. Multiple wounds on the bad guy is always better. If I was shooting at people 50 yards away I would rather have 00 but my house is only 8 yards across. Smaller shot is better for me.

If that didn't do the trick I used to have some S&W police ammo with extra hard BRI sabot slugs. They were made specifically to shoot through car wheels and crack engine blocks. I don't think a bad guy wearing body armor would have a chance. 4 or 5 rounds of 27-pellet #4 Buck and a couple of those slugs made me feel safe until I got a pistol that works better for inside the house.
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