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[billt]

Alf, Chiappa Rhino , and Ruger LCR are unique.
But mostly you are correct The last change in revolvers was when they settled on left hand swing out cylinders .
 
BAC, The truth is that Juneteenth, and the Emancipation Proclamation are both BS .
Blacks think there's something special about living somewhere it took2 months to hear the war was over. The Proclamation was just a PR stunt that freed exactly no one. Read it. It only applied to the Confederate states who didn't give a crap what Lincoln said. The truth is that Maryland had legal slavery until the 13th, and 14th amendments went into effect  December 1865 well after the end of the war.

As for Kwanza, to much knowledge that it's "founder" was a murdering scumbag for it to catch on.

Tom, I have to say you know your history.

[alfsauve]

Alf, Chiappa Rhino , and Ruger LCR are unique.

Rhino was based on the Mateba, 1997.
Using polymer is different, but the LCR is still a hammerless J-frame style revolver 100+ years old.

So for the 21st century, what's truly a new design in any style firearm?

Kriss Vector.  Okay that's one.

[tombogan03884]

Constant recoil in the Singapore version of the M 249 SAW.
But like the Kriss, it's pointless. Every one who buys machine guns already has the older version.
Hell, the MG 1 is a better machine gun, and that was designed in 1942.
As for the Kriss, it's pointless.
Completely useless in anything but full auto and it can never be built that way.
Otherwise the only change has been materials and processes, and OPTICS . (Just thought of that one    )

[Rastus]

I wouldn't buy a Kriss for a couple of reasons, but I can say a full auto Kriss has practically no recoil. 

The CZ Scorpion EVO in 9MM full auto I like better than an MP5.  No kiddin'.....better than an MP5 which I otherwise love.  There was on for rent at the OFASTS this weekend....nice.

[tombogan03884]

That's my point about the Kriss.
The sub gun is history beyond PDW use.
With the POSSIBLE exception of concealment, there is nothing a SMG can do that an M-4, or similar, can't do better.
MP 5, has the market sewed up as it's closed bolt and none of the others can compete with it for accuracy.
The only market for the Kriss is civilian, and they can not go there because of the MG registry being closed.
So it's a useless design. It never would have sold very well anyway.
Far simpler, LESS EXPENSIVE guns, like the Walther have failed to catch on .

I'll probably build a 9mm AR pistol, but Stuff like that generally has me looking at a 2 ft long package that gives me the same capability as a Ruger LC 9 .

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[Dirty Bob]

Tom, there's nothing wrong with a 9mm AR pistol. It lets you practice with an AR at indoor ranges. Ammo can cost less. With less blast and noise, it's a friendlier gun for shooters learning the AR. For home defense, it's generally faster and more accurate for most people than a handgun in the same caliber.

Plus, a 9mm AR is a heckuva lot of fun! Do you need a better reason?

Try it, you'll like it!
Dirty Bob

[tombogan03884]

Plus, a 9mm AR is a heckuva lot of fun! Do you need a better reason?

Try it, you'll like it!
Dirty Bob

No, actually I don't   

[Dirty Bob]

No, actually I don't   

No problem. It works for me, though. When that brace touches my face, I'm seeing the red dot. It's fast, it works in low light, and 9mm ARs run with almost any barrel length...down to just 4 or 5 inches. Even a 300 BLK has issues in barrels that short.  A compact AR pistol would be on my short list of choices if I had to go into one of the "troubled" urban centers right now.

Awareness and avoidance are the best choice, but if you're surrounded and people with bricks are coming to break the car windows, other options become important. A lot of us saw the Reginald Denny video and watched in horror. That kind of stuff has been happening in some of our cities in the past weeks. I've seen a videos of a group of young men stomping on a victim's head after knocking him to the cement.

Scary times. People need to be careful, especially when they're with their families.

[tombogan03884]

Bob, not sure you took that right.
I meant "no, I didn't need a better reason.   

And I agree with you're reasoning.
I've been saying that people aren't the only things that need shooting, but I haven't heard of any bear problems in 3 months .
So 9 is fine   
I'm not a big fan of 5.56, but how is that in pistols ?
I know it's not bad in a Contender if I can find a barrel .   

[les snyder]

Tom... I have two 5.56 pistols and I think you have pictures... I would not recommend a barrel length less than 10.5, and if you want to go to 12 or so, you might get a mid length gas system rather than the shorter carbine length...I'd prefer an over gassed system and opt for a lighter weight buffer to enhance reliability... I doubt that I'll ever have more than 1000 rounds through either of the pistols....  you need a flash can or linear comp to direct the blast down range....I think that low profile gas blocks held on with set screws should be roll pinned for reliability...I think my lack of brace or blade, using a slightly longer buffer tube alleviates any ATF vacillations concerning braces/blades...if you want a lighted optic I think a prism sight is a better option than just a dot as the reticle is etched on the prism, and is still visible with a dead battery.... for under 50yd, a good carry handle with large aperture sight works pretty well... you need to have a good white light mounted... I carry mine in an old thin sided range bag with the buffer tube sticking out... experienced shooters do not recognize what is in the bag...looks like you can still put together a PSA kit for under $600