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Electric Cars
« on: June 29, 2020, 10:34:09 AM »
I looked at the Nikola line of electric vehicles.   Tesla went after the rich crowd, but Nikola is concentrating on trucking.  As in semi-tractor trucks.  Hydrogen/Electric hybrids.

They have a pickup, The Badger.   ~600mile range.   Looked promising.  Today starts where you can put down a refundable $250 deposit to get on the list.   I was thinking about it, except they came out with the prices.   $60,000 gets you the 300 mile range battery version.   $80,000 for the hydrogen  hybrid and the 600 mile range.  I'll pass.

Middle son has a reservation on the Tesla Cybertruck.   If they ever start shipping.   Ugly thing but could be quite functional for urban usage.
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Re: Electric Cars
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2020, 10:40:58 AM »
Whats the range towing 10k # ? thats the number that is important.  That will actually tell you what you want to know.  A truck that can not be used as a truck is worthless
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Re: Electric Cars
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2020, 10:47:27 AM »
I don't know Alf.
I know people buying F 150's, and Ram's paying just as much, so the $ isn't much of a factor, and the average gas tank, 10 gal, 30 MPG ?
When you mentioned the name before, I just assumed it was a Tesla, the last Nikola was darn it.   ;D
I would be interested in hearing more about how they work out.
What about battery disposal ?
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Re: Electric Cars
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2020, 02:09:34 PM »
Out here in the desert Southwest I don't see them catching on. Or in the frigid north, because of temperature extremes. Both high and low temps are hard on batteries. And they reduce performance, as well as battery life significantly. Also as was mentioned, what can they tow, and what is the range when doing it? Nowhere near enough to compete with gas and Diesel's.

Here it is 200 miles to Phoenix, and 150 to Las Vegas. And 300 miles to L.A. Without much in between but desert. Another thing is recharge times. If it takes 8 hours for a full recharge, or even 6, that's going to hurt. Especially when you can refill a tank in 5 minutes and be on your way. I think sales of these things will always lag behind gas and diesel trucks.

At least until they can come up with replaceable batteries that can be swapped out in a couple of minutes, like a cordless driver / drill, for the same or less than a tank full of gas. And building a nationwide network like that will cost billions, and is years, if not decades away. A semi that has to recharge for 8 hours every 400 miles is worthless. If it was carrying fresh produce from the Imperial Valley, it would be rotten by the time it reached the East Coast.

Hydrogen Fuel Cell cars or trucks will never be productive. Because Hydrogen requires more energy to make, than it provides. That doesn't matter on a Moon mission, paid for by the taxpayers. But it does for a family of 4 driving to grandma's on dad's salary. While they can and do offer a limited alternative for city dwellers for bopping around town. They will never provide a full blown replacement for fossil fueled vehicles.
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Re: Electric Cars
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2020, 02:18:51 PM »
They will never provide a full blown replacement for fossil fueled vehicles.

I tend to agree, but keep holding out hope.

Looking at the Nikola specs on their trucks, they just fall a tad short of being useful.

Talking with the Disney people last year about why the boat launches aren't electric and they said the recharge time is the killer.  Said they're working with industry to figure a way to replace large battery packs, safely and quickly, while at the dock.  They don't want to have to cycle a boat out of service every time the pack needs changing. 
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Re: Electric Cars
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Re: Electric Cars
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2020, 02:45:43 PM »
Bill's missing a point, If he runs out of gas he's screwed. if his battery gets to low he can spread out a solar panel.
Slow ?
Not as slow as waiting for gas to condense from the air.
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Same thing here.
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