Ball State Univ. students pushing for CCW on campus

[m25operator]

Work...you mean like down at the gun factory, er, nope.  Maybe at the big box sporting goods store, er, nope.  Like over at the police station, er, nope.  Say..the military base, er, not really.  Well, wait a minute, you know they always have mass shootings down at the gun shop, er, nope.  Well by golly there is always somebody whackin' somebody over at the gun club...er, nope.

The death of common sense.

   

I would like to work this backwards, I'm sure there are studies that show, people under 6' tall get targeted more than people 6' or taller. Does the perp look for small people or AVOID, big people?

A Gun free zone might not be the attraction, probably not, but the Gun saturated zone is a definite deterrent. Ergo, no moves on police stations, shooting ranges, martial arts academies, Psycho people are crazy, not stupid. I do agree that the mass stuff happens mostly, in places the perp is comfortable in, but as most of you know, a man drove his pickup into a Luby's cafeteria, in Killeen, Texas, through a window and systematically killed multiple patrons. He did not work for them, maybe He ate there once, who knows, and then killed himself.

Google, Dr. Susan Gratia, she was there!!!

Now it is hard to do a study on brandishing a firearm and the perp leaves, no shots fired. This has happened twice to me, when I was young, did I call the police, no, it was quick down and dirty, nowadays, I don't show my hole cards until they are needed, and then shots will probably be fired. But I avoid this situation, I walk softly.

[Rastus]

Think for a second yourself.


You beleave that more guns= less crime.   Thats not common sense that is a belief you have.     When one person comes out with a book, saing one thing and several other publish studys saming the exact opposite.  its time to questions the one person.

So by the standards of one in opposition to many in this particular subculture evidenced here, to judge another's cognitive ability and fruits thereof as expressed in "common sense" and life observations is self-condemnation.  Questioning a person on the basis of persons is a fundamental flaw of thinking or a tactic in dishonesty or a lack of ability to reason whereas the comparison of persons upon the traits of character may not be.  Multiple Nazi's questioned "common sense" and truth and millions died. 

The avoidance of an idea or fact and the evidence thereof replaced with the comparison of persons is a fundamental flaw and tactic and, as evidenced in life today, a liberal tool that has been internalized by 1/2 our nation.  Instead of adddressing an idea, concept, or study by the efforts of intellectual honesty the directive is to divert the honest comparison of ideas to a focus on the differences of opinions of persons.  Multiple persons of dubious pedigree and integrity compared to one (or many) with an idea changes the focus of those of little thought and will cause them to denounce an idea that was born in truth.  It is well documented throughout the ages that people want to get along and, perhaps in a lazy effort to avoid thought, side with a majority that is in error for multiple reasons.  Propoganda and impure interests will invariable attack a person of dissenting ideas to ridicule and belittle as a tool to gain the acceptance of ideas that are without merit.

[tombogan03884]

Think for a second yourself.


You beleave that more guns= less crime.   Thats not common sense that is a belief you have.     When one person comes out with a book, saing one thing and several other publish studys saming the exact opposite.  its time to questions the one person.

I'll grant ONE modification, More LAW ABIDING people with guns,= less crime.
That's why JUSTIFIABLE homicides are the highest they have ever been according to the FBI and also according to the FBI violent crime continues to drop EXCEPT where strict gun laws keep the citizens defenseless.
Are you going to say the FBI lies ? (about THESE statistics I mean  )

[TexGun]

I first read through this thread last night and did not respond.  However, let's cut right through the debate of more guns=less crime (an idea to which I whole heartedly subscribe to, most specifically to TomBogan’s version), who recanted or did not recant their initial position on what, and who's opinion on what kinds of decisions a psycho might make (for God's sake, psychos are by definition psychotic, therefore irrational and unpredictable).

Getting back to the topic at hand…  It all comes down to the fact that as a law abiding citizen with a concealed carry permit (in states where required), I want the opportunity/ability/option of protecting my life and maybe the lives of others in as many places as possible.  As a responsible citizen (heavy emphasis on responsible) I want minimal (even zero) restrictions on my ability to exercise my RIGHTs.

Responsible citizen's RIGHTs should not be trampled on in the name of "public safety" or for any other reason. 

[ericire12]

I first read through this thread last night and did not respond.  However, let's cut right through the debate of more guns=less crime (an idea to which I whole heartedly subscribe to, most specifically to TomBogan’s version), who recanted or did not recant their initial position on what, and who's opinion on what kinds of decisions a psycho might make (for God's sake, psychos are by definition psychotic, therefore irrational and unpredictable).

Getting back to the topic at hand…  It all comes down to the fact that as a law abiding citizen with a concealed carry permit (in states where required), I want the opportunity/ability/option of protecting my life and maybe the lives of others in as many places as possible.  As a responsible citizen (heavy emphasis on responsible) I want minimal (even zero) restrictions on my ability to exercise my RIGHTs.

Responsible citizen's RIGHTs should not be trampled on in the name of "public safety" or for any other reason. 

Bull seye!

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[TAB]

I'll grant ONE modification, More LAW ABIDING people with guns,= less crime.
That's why JUSTIFIABLE homicides are the highest they have ever been according to the FBI and also according to the FBI violent crime continues to drop EXCEPT where strict gun laws keep the citizens defenseless.
Are you going to say the FBI lies ? (about THESE statistics I mean  )

I would have to review the stats to see how they came up with them.  Its also funny that I live in a county where unless you paid off the sheriff you can't get a CCW... yet violent crime is at the lowest point its been in 10 years.  Now nonviolent crime has been on the rise, but thats most likly do to the crapy job market here.   Something like 11% unemployement.  I get atleast 10 people calling me/ coming into the shop looking for work.   its just not out there right now.