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Burt Gummer

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Re: Do you need extreme pistol skills?
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2008, 10:36:19 PM »
I like steel for practice myself and am not a big fan of slowly punching paper to get those 1 or 2 inch groups.
I prefer lots of draws, malfunction drills,reloads and looking around for more threats as training than punching bullseyes if you carry a gun intending to save your life.

When you get that pucker factor when faced by gunfire you have a good chance of reverting back to your training.


If you are a backyard plinker buy some bowling pins or have a buddy that can weld,rig you up with some steel targets.

Then find out what you really suck at like support hand, shooting on the move etc and then PRACTICE IT UNTIL YOU HAVE SOLVED THOSE WEAK POINTS!
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Re: Do you need extreme pistol skills?
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2008, 07:35:47 AM »
DesertMarine,

All I can say is Wow!  Nice work with that Mod. 19.  Just goes to show something I've always said, "The bullet doesn't know you moved back."  Apply the fundamentals correctly and you'll get the hit you want.

Outstanding work Sir!

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Re: Do you need extreme pistol skills?
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2008, 10:17:56 AM »
I prefer a training program where both paper punching and drills like Burt Gummer describes are used.  Paper punching forces a person to practice shooting fundamentals: sight alignment, breathing, trigger control.  Combat and tactical training/practice teaches how to apply the fundamentals to combat, high stress situations.  What happens when your combat/tatictal/competition shooting starts going down, you go back to basics.  It is all conditioning the body and mind so that in a stress situation your body reacts to training to save your life. 

Thanks USSA-1.  So true about the bullet not knowing you moved back.  A short barrelled .357 with it's muzzle blast and recoil, sure makes you concentrate on fundamentals while shooting at distance. 
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Re: Do you need extreme pistol skills?
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2008, 02:26:16 PM »
What is your recommended routine for the backyard shooter to better develop these skills?  It helps me to get immediate feedback in the form of plate targets but their not always available at the ranges.  I use color changing targets when I shoot paper and it's obvious even at longer ranges where your hitting the target.  They do get kind of pricey but far cheaper than the ammo I'm shooting.

Any help would be apprieciated.

I posted this on another thread, but it may fit in this case also, with regards to not being able to shoot steel due to location:

I was a member of a range twenty or so years ago that had a 'no speed shooting' rule as well as no 'pins' or 'steel'.
They were real old-school die-hard Bullseye guys.
We talked it out and compromised and they finally allowed the faster shooting as long as it was on paper targets.
So, a couple of us went to a local pizza joint and bought a few stacks of those round cardboard liners that go under the pizza in the pizza boxes. Cost just a few bucks for a stack of fifty. We bought the 8" and 10" sizes. We then cut a saw kerf down the length of an 8' 2x4 and the targets would stand up on their edges in the 2x4. We used saw horses to hold the 2x4 and put several a various distances.
Worked like a charm for 'simulated steel' (I know it ain't the same as the real thing) and they were already white and could be repaired with tape during a session.
We also cut down the sides of some of them to make the resemble mini tombstone targets or mini poppers.

I still use the round pizza tray targets to plink on to this day....it works for me.

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Re: Do you need extreme pistol skills?
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2008, 07:46:45 PM »
I still use the round pizza tray targets to plink on to this day....it works for me.

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Great idea PegLeg, thanks....

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Re: Do you need extreme pistol skills?
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Re: Do you need extreme pistol skills?
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2008, 07:30:38 AM »
I really didn't read through the entire link and don't know how many of you have a military backround or LEA experience but I see one skill missing from the equasion. Sure we can all puch holes in paper or knock down some steels but what happens when that piece or paper or sheet of metal is a person? One needs to make sure that even in a time of life defending danger you can deal with what happens after the bang.

If some of you are military or LEA you understand what I am talking about but to everyday citizens like me it's something we need to think about.

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Re: Do you need extreme pistol skills?
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2008, 12:01:25 PM »
Good point Cody. I have been advised, and just got yesterday, to read "In The Gravest Extreme" by Massad Ayoob. I'm told that that addresses several of those issues. Anyone else have any ideas/recommendations?

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Re: Do you need extreme pistol skills?
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2008, 01:42:45 AM »
Ayoobs Newest book, Gun Digest Book of Concealed Carry

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Re: Do you need extreme pistol skills?
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2008, 08:34:24 AM »
@cody
I think, that this thread will cover most of your questions. http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=3812.0
Just listen to Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, he is awesome! Really interesting stuff to think about.

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Re: Do you need extreme pistol skills?
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2008, 08:20:40 AM »
Cooptire,

Do some research regarding prominent self-defense lawyers in your area.  Pony up the money to buy an hour of his time.  Go over your State/Local CCW laws and establish a contact procedure with the local police and the lawyer in the event you ever have to use your weapon.

Knowing what will happen after the fight will give you great peace of mind during the fight.

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