8 year old dies at gun fair.

[TAB]

I've heard reports that it was a micro uzi,  can any confirm this?

its clear that rather it was a full size or a micro, he was not using the shoulder stock( if it had one)

[Teresa Heilevang]

Seems like we were a bit much for the Liberal troll, oldeurope..............

as usual.. when the kitchen gets a little hot.. they leave the work area...........
He should have stuck around. He actually might have learned something.  

[jaybet]

ahhhh... everybody needs to have a little fun. He picked a hell of a subject to jump in on, though.

[fullautovalmet76]

This is terrible! I share the sentiments of those in this forum who believe this was an unnecessary and avoidable tragedy.

As an owner of several full-autos (hence the name), I would like to weigh in here. Trigger control is absolutely critical on these types of guns. The picture you see by my moniker is a Finnish AK variant and it fires around 600 rpm. I will not allow anyone to shoot my guns unless they are 18 years of age or older. And then I make them shoot a few rounds on semi to see how they handle them. If they can't get comfortable on semi, there's no way I'm loading a 30 round mag or a 75 round drum and letting them go for it on full-auto.

And lastly, this just feeds our enemies (think oldeurope) grist for this stuff.

We can never be too safe with any gun. This incident is a wake up call for me.....

[fullautovalmet76]

Full auto.. this is being discussed in the Cafe ....


http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=3784.0

Thanks, Marshal'ette. I'll head on over and throw in my two cents worth....

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[Scott Moore]

Not sure how you can put an age limit such as 18; does this have to do with physical or mental abilities. I’m not bustin’ on you; it’s just that if we can trust a 10 – 12 year old with a 12ga shotgun on a trap or skeet range how can we place a limit on a select fire firearm. As the former national director of the NSSF’s SCTP (a national clay target program) I have seen high schoolers on the shotgun range that we had to pull off the range because they could not properly handle a shotgun at the same time we had 6th graders breakin’ clays with a 12 ga. I think it all has to do with the individual and his/her physical and mental development, just like with other things such as driving, drinking, etc.
Of course we really don’t know what happened as reports are some what conflicting depending on what site you read. All I know is that a lot of people are deeply affected at this time and the Industry needs to assist were they can.

[cooptire]

All I know is that a lot of people are deeply affected at this time and the Industry needs to assist were they can.

Amen to that!

[tombogan03884]

Not sure how you can put an age limit such as 18; does this have to do with physical or mental abilities. I’m not bustin’ on you; it’s just that if we can trust a 10 – 12 year old with a 12ga shotgun on a trap or skeet range how can we place a limit on a select fire firearm. As the former national director of the NSSF’s SCTP (a national clay target program) I have seen high schoolers on the shotgun range that we had to pull off the range because they could not properly handle a shotgun at the same time we had 6th graders breakin’ clays with a 12 ga. I think it all has to do with the individual and his/her physical and mental development, just like with other things such as driving, drinking, etc.
Of course we really don’t know what happened as reports are some what conflicting depending on what site you read. All I know is that a lot of people are deeply affected at this time and the Industry needs to assist were they can.

I would say , it's physical, if he had been bigger, he might have been better able to control it.  As to your Shot gun comment, it's not relevant, shotguns don't keep firing if you hold the trigger back, and even if a semi auto malfunctions the length of the weapon means the kid will get smacked in the face, not have the barrel tip up under his chin. Which brings up something mentioned by some one else, had he been at least using the stock it would have extended the firearm so the barrel would not have been below face level. A lot of poor judgement was involved, it's a shame.

[Scott Moore]

Of course most autoloading shotguns are semi and if the firearm got away from the shooter it most likely it would not double. We are missing many pieces of the pie here so we are all just speculating, so far, unless I’ve missed some things on the Net, we still don’t know the young mans size, the exact configuration of the firearm, etc. But I really wanted to address the issue about age . . . is it really germane to the equation? Again I don’t like talking about the death of this person and what his family is going through. It is the age issue that I would like to address. When is it to young for someone, with supervision of their parent or responsible adult, to shoot any firearm? In the Northeast some states restrict youth from hunting big game, while in Mid America youth as young as 12 or so can hunt with an adult.

[tombogan03884]

I don't think "AGE" really has as much to do with it as "SIZE", as an example, would you have a 4'9" tall woman 45 tears old shoot the same guns you would hand to a 5'8" 16 year old girl ? There would be MAJOR differences in their ability to handle standard size firearms.
But I suspect that judgment, motor control and reaction time played parts in this as well. By the time the victim realized he had a problem he did not have the reactions to get his finger off the trigger in time.