Why is everyone ready to give up?

[alfsauve]

I'm not throwing in the towel, just hunkering down for the long haul.

You don't have to wait and see what they've planned it's all at:

http://CHANGE.gov  (don't you just love how he's hijacked the TLD)

Here's the "starter" list:

-Repeal the Tiahrt Amendment (start that database).
-"COMMONSENSE" measures[emphasis mine] to keep guns from those who shouldn't have them.
-Close the gun show loophole (sic) [read that as control private sales]
-Make guns in this country childproof
-Reinstate the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanently

[alfack]

I'm not giving up. I just don't know who to contact to organize a coup. 

The current rash of politicians seem to have forgotten who they work for. Not saying there aren't a few good ones, just that we need a fresh and uncorrupted start.

[tombogan03884]

We lost years ago? The best we can hope for?    ... 

 That's kinda what I'm eluding too. It's like your saying why bother. I mean..is it just me? Does that or does that not sound like it's over and one would be calling it quits? Tombogan03884, I mean no disrespect in anyway. We have talked on posts before and I am not trying to criticize or belittle your point. Your right a lot of this has come down the pipe from years of problems. But does that mean you just automatically have to accept it.. just simply give in ... and be okay with .. just because we are doomed? What if the "REAL Americans" that you mentioned didn't die off? What if through thick and thin and against all odds.. gunowners.. did prevail and enjoy the freedom that was established with the formation of this country? Is that possible? Yes.. but everyone has to be together... working together.. and seeing the glass half full instead of half empty.

You are in no way even close to offending me Hawkfish. I HOPE you can convince me that it has not gotten to the point where the brainwashed masses out number us so badly that all we have left is being the last scattered defenders of a lost cause, as for throwing in the towel my only answer is NUTS ! 

[SwoopSJ]

I, for one, am looking forward to the next four years, aside from the threat to my 2A rights.  I finally get a chance to wag my finger and laugh at some of my more liberal friends for voting for such a moron.  This may seem like twisted logic, and it wouldn't be the first time I was accused of such, but I have suffered eight years of abuse by these same idiots (I mean that in the nicest way possible) for voting for Bush.  Well... if they thought George was bad, just wait till BHO gets his chance to jack everything up.  Oh, and for the record, I'd vote for Bush again given the opportunity.

Swoop

 

[jaybet]

I, for one, am looking forward to the next four years, aside from the threat to my 2A rights.  I finally get a chance to wag my finger and laugh at some of my more liberal friends for voting for such a moron. 

I agree, but there are also many other possible effects of this election.
A disclaimer: This post is in no way intended as an opinion on race. It is meant to pose philisophical questions about cultural issues.

I believe that the african american community will soon face an incredible and critical dillemma in the form of an identity crisis.

Now that America (including a majority of white Americans) has elected an african american president, who was elected with the full support of the main stream media, which has been often labeled by the african american community as being controlled by evil bigots of the jewish persuasion, what happens to all of the african american organizations and prominent individuals who justify their existence and make their living on race-baiting?
1. Now that we have a person of color in the white house, what will be the new platform of the Black Panthers? Will they still be able to make the case that they are necessary because of the opression by white americans?
2. Will charlatan "leaders" like Al Sharpton still be able to turn every social issue into self aggrandizing, income producing crusades- a horrible wrong to right?
3. Speaking of right, what happens to bigots like the Reverend Wright? Louis Farrakkan...what do they rail against now?
4. If these groups and individuals continue to race-bait, will our new president stand up to them and chastise them for their destructive effect, or will they get a pass?
5. What about entitlements? Will our new president stick to his stated policy of calling out to the african american community to take responsibility for their families and culture?
6. How long will it be before we hear the term, "Uncle Tom" from the fringe of the african american community?

Please understand, that I am asking these questions because I cannot concieve of what I would do if I were african american. Admittedly, the election of Obama as POTUS does not eliminate predjudice, etc. I understand that. But doesn't this election and the warm embrace of the majority of americans take some wind out of the sails on the racial debate?

I cannot figure out the answers to these questions myself...that's why I pose them. And perhaps this isn't the forum to pose the questions, because I doubt that many african americans participate in this forum, and I think they are the only people who can really answer. (if you're there, please feel free to respond) It is acknowleged that BHOs election changes history, etc. etc. But I'm not sure that everyone has fathomed the depths of the changes that will come. And I think that once the celebration is over in the african american community we will find that there is an identity crisis of substantial proportion.
For the good of the country I hope the new president is up to the task on that issue as well as all of the others.[color]

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[jaybet]

I don't know about jackson, he's been pretty quiet the last few years, but I am totally serious asking these questions, and I hope everyone does't take this as an opportunity to make jokes...I think this is going to be a real dilemma for the culture for quite some time.

[Rastus]

We lost years ago? The best we can hope for?    ... 

 That's kinda what I'm eluding too. It's like your saying why bother. I mean..is it just me? Does that or does that not sound like it's over and one would be calling it quits? Tombogan03884, I mean no disrespect in anyway. We have talked on posts before and I am not trying to criticize or belittle your point. Your right a lot of this has come down the pipe from years of problems. But does that mean you just automatically have to accept it.. just simply give in ... and be okay with .. just because we are doomed? What if the "REAL Americans" that you mentioned didn't die off? What if through thick and thin and against all odds.. gunowners.. did prevail and enjoy the freedom that was established with the formation of this country? Is that possible? Yes.. but everyone has to be together... working together.. and seeing the glass half full instead of half empty.

I think we turned the corner years ago.  But that doesn't mean we are doomed and resigned to defeat.  WE have to fight back to maintain our rights.....but we should be as wise as serpents in doing so.  I think that we need to wait on some of our fellow citizens who, for some unknown reason, have lost their rabbit-assed minds and think they are going to get free stuff, to face the reality of the foolishness of their decisions.  Steeling against persons easily deceived by expressing to them what is right may only cause them to dig in their heels and stick their heads further into the sand....better I think to wait until they begin to see the error of their ways. 

I believe these fellow citizens...who expressed very poor judgement and likely in a selfish manner of greed, will be the first to speak up about their rights, tax money, lifestyle changes; using their own self-righteous indignation to fuel their dissatisfaction.  I would wait on them to be thouroghly disgusted with their choice...but that does not mean we roll over and do not fight the good political battles (Join the NRA everyone) while waiting on them to come to their senses.  It may be better foster disatisfaction in them by listening to their comments and exhorting them from where "they are" in the process of enlightenment.  The people who think they are "owed" something will be among the loudest, most obnoxious to speak out....so let them get the backhand across the jaw first....guide them in their revival and use them like BHO and company used them until (and if) they become truly aware.

[tombogan03884]

I, for one, am looking forward to the next four years, aside from the threat to my 2A rights.  I finally get a chance to wag my finger and laugh at some of my more liberal friends for voting for such a moron.  This may seem like twisted logic, and it wouldn't be the first time I was accused of such, but I have suffered eight years of abuse by these same idiots (I mean that in the nicest way possible) for voting for Bush.  Well... if they thought George was bad, just wait till BHO gets his chance to jack everything up.  Oh, and for the record, I'd vote for Bush again given the opportunity.

Swoop

 

Thank you to all, Hawkfish with his question, and Jay with his questions in light of the above quote from Swoop have brought me out of my post election depression. 
First a comment on Jessie Jackson's silence. You be keeping your mouth shut to if you said you'd like to "cut his nuts off" then "his" got elected Pres.
 What do we have to look forward to besides fighting for our gun rights in a declining economy ?  Frequent use of 2 phrases, "that's discrimination" and "Don't blame me, you elected him"  All that crap the socialists have been throwing at us for 30+ years is going to get jammed right up their butts, "We weren't racist, we were RIGHT"
It is going to be great fun driving them crazy with their own BS, none of us should EVER miss a chance to piss off a liberal with phrases like "You hoped for change, you got it" especially if they just lost their job or had something repo'd 
Another cheery thought (yes, I AM a sick and twisted evil bastard  ) since B Ho used ACORN with all their dirty tricks, and Hitleresque speeches, and proposed an American version of SS/Gestapo, that means the gloves are off politically, I'm not ADVOCATING assassination of rivals, or bombing democrat offices, or causing riots at pro Obama rallies, or beating Obama supporters, advocating violence in a public forum could get someone in trouble. BUT, any sort of dirty trick imaginable is now OK, all that Character assassination, slander, provocation, blackmail,taking things out of context then publishing them, all that rotten stuff the CIA did to foreign communist leaders, propagandizing the masses (educating them ). It's all good now . Let the evil genius of our rightness run free. If it makes the socialists look bad or, even better, dumb, go for it  ROFL 
It is impossible to fight humor and humiliation, you can suppress a smart ass, but you cannot suppress smirks and snickers when you make an ass of your self.
Now I have a question of my own, can any of you come up with a country that was ruled peacefully and prosperously by a man of African descent, Kenya is out because they had the Mau Mau uprising in the 50's and current trouble between Muslims and Christians, can't think of any others later than the Roman Empire.

[PegLeg45]

I think we turned the corner years ago.  But that doesn't mean we are doomed and resigned to defeat.  WE have to fight back to maintain our rights.....but we should be as wise as serpents in doing so.  I think that we need to wait on some of our fellow citizens who, for some unknown reason, have lost their rabbit-assed minds and think they are going to get free stuff, to face the reality of the foolishness of their decisions.  Steeling against persons easily deceived by expressing to them what is right may only cause them to dig in their heels and stick their heads further into the sand....better I think to wait until they begin to see the error of their ways. 

I believe these fellow citizens...who expressed very poor judgement and likely in a selfish manner of greed, will be the first to speak up about their rights, tax money, lifestyle changes; using their own self-righteous indignation to fuel their dissatisfaction.  I would wait on them to be thouroghly disgusted with their choice...but that does not mean we roll over and do not fight the good political battles (Join the NRA everyone) while waiting on them to come to their senses.  It may be better foster disatisfaction in them by listening to their comments and exhorting them from where "they are" in the process of enlightenment.  The people who think they are "owed" something will be among the loudest, most obnoxious to speak out....so let them get the backhand across the jaw first....guide them in their revival and use them like BHO and company used them until (and if) they become truly aware.

Well put, Rastus.
That's kind of how I've been looking at things. When the masses wake up from the dream and realize that hollow promises, both real and imagined, will fail to come to fruition, they will turn. When the wool is removed from in front of their eyes and they see the real light of day, we will have been vindicated in our beliefs.

[Pathfinder]

I just went to the Magpul site, hadn't been there in quite a while. They flashed an interesting quote.

OK, the group is The Cruxshadows, and they appear to be a Goth / thrash / hair / metal / techno-pop kinda group - And they look the part. But, check out the first few stanzas to Winterborn:

Dry your eyes and quietly bear this pain with pride
For heaven shall remember the silent and the brave
And promise me they will never see
The fear within our eyes
(my eyes are closed)
We will give strength to those who still remain

So bury fear, for fate draws near
And hide the signs of pain
With noble acts, the bravest souls
Endure the heart's remains
Discard regret, that in this debt
A better world is made
That children of a newer day might remember
And avoid our fate

(I've waited all day in the pouring rain, but nobody came, no, nobody came)

And in the fury of this darkest hour
We will be your light
You've asked me for my sacrifice
And I am Winter born
Without denying, a faith is come
That I have never known
I hear the angels call my name
And I am Winter born

Hold your head up high-for there is no greater love
Think of the faces of the people you defend
(you defend)
And promise me, they will never see
The tears within our eyes
(my eyes are closed)
Although we are men, with mortal sins, angels never cry