A Peace Officer's view of CCW

[jnevis]

Need more like this gent to speak up! it's the administrators in the big city PDs that tend to be against CCW. They have to answer to the mayors and city councils. My neighbor is retired NYPD and he flat-out said he and the majority of the patrol officers were never worried about guns in the hands (or pockets) of the law abiding public.

And that is the issue...  It seems that once you become an Administrator, in big cities, you stop thinking like a cop and become a flunky for the mayor.  Our local Sheriff is all for CCW but it won't happen due to Baltimore.   He was the instructor in one of my college classes and had a lot of respect for the MPDC Commisssioner until Heller was announced and she fell in line with Mayor Fenty, making it difficult to actaully be able to get a permit in DC.

Patrol likes the "backup."

Although I was Navy LE so I had a relatively benign population we would regularly stop cars with lights out or rolling through stop signs to check for DUI.  We hardly ever gave out tickets unless it was something really bad or the driver was REALLY stupid.  We didn't have any CCW but the local Sheriff and CHP did and most of the permit holders were CA Dept of Corrections or people that were not inovled in illegal activity so the Deputies were much more comfortable and typically only gave you a warning, again unless you really did something dumb.

[TAB]

So your ok with cops giving people a pass becuase they have a CCW?   What about other things?

Lets say  Contractors lic... funny, they use the exact same back ground check for people that have CL that they do for CCW.  Only there is more recs for having a CL.   So every one that has a CL should get a free pass, right?  its the same thing.

What about people like myself that have clearance to work on nuclear power plants, I can asure the back ground check for that is alot more then it is for any CCW nation wide.( took ~ 6 months, had people I had not seen in 10 years calling me up saying why did the Feds call me asking questions about you)  Should that be a free pass?

What should be a free pass?

If you break the small laws, whats stoping you from breaking the big laws?

[jnevis]

So your ok with cops giving people a pass becuase they have a CCW?   What about other things?

Lets say  Contractors lic... funny, they use the exact same back ground check for people that have CL that they do for CCW.  Only there is more recs for having a CL.   So every one that has a CL should get a free pass, right?  its the same thing.

What about people like myself that have clearance to work on nuclear power plants, I can asure the back ground check for that is alot more then it is for any CCW nation wide.( took ~ 6 months, had people I had not seen in 10 years calling me up saying why did the Feds call me asking questions about you)  Should that be a free pass?

What should be a free pass?

If you break the small laws, whats stoping you from breaking the big laws?

First and foremost a CCW is looked at by a Law Enforcement agency, a CL or even the background check for a nuc plant is done by the government.  Plus a CCW is a card in your wallet that is understood to have been issued after such a check by a dept.  A CL doesn't guarantee that ANY background check has been done.  It may be done in some areas but not necessarily at a national level.   

A secerty clearance isn't tatooed on your forehead and you don't have a card that says what clearance you have, unless you have a badge for a facilty, and they don't have that on it except for maybe a colored band that only employees of that facility would know what it means.

A CCW isn't always a "free pass" and doesn't mean you still won't be arrested or given a ticket.  Do all LEOs give "passes" for some things sure, do they also have a duty to do a job and do it safely and fairly DEFINATELY. 

[Fatman]

So your ok with cops giving people a pass becuase they have a CCW?   What about other things?

Lets say  Contractors lic... funny, they use the exact same back ground check for people that have CL that they do for CCW.  Only there is more recs for having a CL.   So every one that has a CL should get a free pass, right?  its the same thing.

What about people like myself that have clearance to work on nuclear power plants, I can asure the back ground check for that is alot more then it is for any CCW nation wide.( took ~ 6 months, had people I had not seen in 10 years calling me up saying why did the Feds call me asking questions about you)  Should that be a free pass?

What should be a free pass?

If you break the small laws, whats stoping you from breaking the big laws?

I've lived next to 3 contractors in my life. All three used their 'white vans' to rip off construction sites.  Based on that, I expect MSNBC to push for a Federal Ban on White Vans. I'll put in a good word for an exception for you, TAB.

[TAB]

First and foremost a CCW is looked at by a Law Enforcement agency, a CL or even the background check for a nuc plant is done by the government.  Plus a CCW is a card in your wallet that is understood to have been issued after such a check by a dept.  A CL doesn't guarantee that ANY background check has been done.  It may be done in some areas but not necessarily at a national level.   

A secerty clearance isn't tatooed on your forehead and you don't have a card that says what clearance you have, unless you have a badge for a facilty, and they don't have that on it except for maybe a colored band that only employees of that facility would know what it means.

A CCW isn't always a "free pass" and doesn't mean you still won't be arrested or given a ticket.  Do all LEOs give "passes" for some things sure, do they also have a duty to do a job and do it safely and fairly DEFINATELY. 

depends on the state, in CA. ( assuming your in a county that gives them out)  its actualy harder to get a Cl then it is to get a CCW... exact same back ground check, Done by the same people, on the same machine.  Back ground checks by law CAN only be done by the CA DOJ.( the LEA must use thier data base and only thier data base)  After you pass that all you need s a 8-16 hour class( min and max by law, changes per county... I know it ticks me off as well)  Where as to get a CL, you need pass life scan( which btw is also what checks when you work with children), have 4 years exp in your trade/ school degree in construction of some type, and post a bond.  Once you have it, you are issued a card, that by law you must keep with you at all times, rather your working or not.  So why should not my CID card be just as good as a CCW?

While we are there, what about my ID from the CIF or  SJUSD id cards?  both of those require the same back ground check.


Now I'm not saying all contractors are angels, there is alot of scum out there, but not all CCW have a halo above thier head.  ( more so in CA where is some countys CCW are bought, not issued.)

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[tt11758]

Everyone I know with a CCW that has been pulled over was sent on their way w/o a ticket once the officer saw their CCW permit.

The last time I was pulled over while carrying I handed the LEO my CCW permit along with my DL.  The rest of the 25-minute exchange was spent in a conversation about guns, and his admiring the sidearm I was carrying at the time, as well as him showing me the new semi-auto carbine he'd just been issued. 

No ticket, btw, just a smile and a wave as I drove away.

[SwoopSJ]

So your ok with cops giving people a pass becuase they have a CCW?   

No, I don't believe people should receive a free pass just because they have a CCW permit.  That was never mentioned, nor inferred.  LEOs let certain minor traffic violations slide all the time, depending upon the circumstances, if you have no priors and treat them with respect rather than disdane.  IMO, this is simply a courtesy from the LEO to those of us who are not "part of the problem", so to speak, and saves them a little time in the process.  Do I expect to get out of tickets because I have a CCW?  No.  However, I don't consider it a mark against LEOs when they decide to over look a mild violation when presented with the right attitude and a document showing the person has no major priors.

Swoop
 

[MikeBjerum]

There are people with CCW that get tickets as well as those that don't.  When an officer makes the decision whether to issue a citation or not they make a lot into consideration.  The fact that a person has taken the time to get trained and has been checked out to obtain a permit says a lot about the type of person they are.  This is just one item that may cause an officer to let a person off with either a verbal or written warning for a minor offense.