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ALL GUN TRANSFERS TO BE TRACKED
« on: January 07, 2009, 08:57:33 PM »
[Initially I erroneously labeled this thread ALL GUN SALES TO BE TRACKED.   In reality it is any "transfer", not just "sales".  Don't be suckered in by the spin.]

If you haven't read it, the Brady Bunch has submitted their agenda to the BHO transition team. 

http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/pdf/politics/obama-transition-memo.pdf

For this thread let's just focus on the "Gun Show Loop Hole".   This is their way of forcing every gun transfer to go through NICS and be recorded.  While they focus on Gun Shows, and erroneously imply that's where many criminals get their guns, this change would require EVERY gun transfer to go through NICS.

* Trade a gun with your buddy ---- NICS
* Give a gun to your son or daughter ---- NICS
* Give a gun to your wife ----  NICS
* Pass away and will your weapons to your family ----  NICS

Your family could unwittingly become FEDERAL FELONS, if they failed to have each and every gun transferred after your death.   Many questions arise in this example.   How long does the estate have to execute the transfer?  If there's no provision for such, then technically the surviving family members (spouse) are felons the moment you die?  Who "holds" the weapons in the mean time.  What if they forget about one or discover it later?   And if the heir doesn't pass NICS will the "trustee" be allowed to sell the firearms at market value on behalf of the estate?  Or will it become property of the state?  TOO BAD YOU LOOSE.

Other sticky areas include provisions for incapacitation.   Who "owns" the guns when you are in a comma?  Or just having an operation?   Can there be joint ownership?   What if your wife uses your gun to defend herself?  Did she just perform a transfer without NICS?

NOW, and it gets worse, combine that with the repeal of the ban on record keeping, AND what you have is registration of ALL guns after 50-60 years.   People (your children) found with a weapon not entered in NICS become felons.   And don't think that Brady, et-al will be satisfied to wait 50-60 years.   After their current proposals pass they will add complete registration to their list.   I wouldn't be surprised if they're hoping for a 10 year time frame,  if not less.   Get these provisions passed and effective by say 3/1, then wait for some tragedy to come along then push for complete registration.  Could be pushing for it by 1/1/2010.

Write your congress critter.  Write your newspaper.  Spread the word.  Educate those shooters who think Brady is only after those ugly black rifles and won't affect them.
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Re: ALL GUN TRANSFERS TO BE TRACKED
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2009, 07:55:49 AM »
Unfortunately my congressman (Wexler (Demo-brat)- FL) has an "F" from the NRA.  He is for "reasonable" gun laws too plus so he's so entrenched down here, especially since has a "residence" in Florida now, its hard for anyone to challenge him.   I will keep tryin'!
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Re: ALL GUN TRANSFERS TO BE TRACKED
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2009, 11:54:21 AM »
Unfortunately my congressman (Wexler (Demo-brat)- FL) has an "F" from the NRA.  He is for "reasonable" gun laws too plus so he's so entrenched down here, especially since has a "residence" in Florida now, its hard for anyone to challenge him.   I will keep tryin'!

Write him letters anyway.  Regardless of the person's position we need to address them in a civil, educating, and requesting way.  We need to becareful to not help them slam the door on us by coming across as ranting idiots.  But, we do need to contact them respectfully on a regular basis with our concerns and requests.

If your Congressman received an "F" rating from the NRA it might be a good thing to not mention the NRA in your communications.  I personally tend to leave membership information out of most communications unless it is an important factor in the issue or it ties into the conversation.
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Re: ALL GUN TRANSFERS TO BE TRACKED
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2009, 12:05:17 PM »
That already happends for 10s  millions in the US...

what cracked me up was stoping terrorists and suspected terrorists from getting guns.( thats a new one)

What ever happend to insent until proven guilty.

Granted if there is a warrent out for you, thats a diffrent story. 


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Re: ALL GUN TRANSFERS TO BE TRACKED
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2009, 12:27:55 PM »
That already happends for 10s  millions in the US...

what cracked me up was stoping terrorists and suspected terrorists from getting guns.( thats a new one)

What ever happend to insent until proven guilty.

Granted if there is a warrent out for you, thats a diffrent story. 




Actually a warrant is NOT a different story.  An arrest warrant or an arrest itself is not proof of guilt.  So if we're going to be concerned with the "innocent until proven guilty" thing, then a warrant really isn't a different story.
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Re: ALL GUN TRANSFERS TO BE TRACKED
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Re: ALL GUN TRANSFERS TO BE TRACKED
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2009, 12:35:23 PM »
well I hate to break it too you... if you have a warrent out for you, the current check will kick you.


There are all kinds of warrents.  Things like contemp of court/ failure to appear. 
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Re: ALL GUN TRANSFERS TO BE TRACKED
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2009, 01:07:14 PM »
well I hate to break it too you... if you have a warrent out for you, the current check will kick you.


There are all kinds of warrents.  Things like contemp of court/ failure to appear. 

I understand what you are saying, I was simply responding to your question about whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty.
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Re: ALL GUN TRANSFERS TO BE TRACKED
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2009, 01:11:46 PM »
See when you have a warrent you are not guilty, you are a fugative from justice. 
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Re: ALL GUN TRANSFERS TO BE TRACKED
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2009, 05:23:07 PM »
As a former LEO I'm familiar with the concept of warrants, thank you.
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Re: ALL GUN TRANSFERS TO BE TRACKED
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2009, 05:26:55 PM »
Then you understand that there has been "due process".  That is where the diffrence lies.
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