Author Topic: Selecting a self-defense (martial arts) training discipline – input please  (Read 15507 times)

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If it feels good to you, continue.  Traditional Karate, MMA, or any of the other styles are not the end all and be all in SELF DEFENSE.  You must be able to think on your feet.  If plan A doesn't work, go to B ,or C, or D.  Improvise and survive.
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In addition to trying to get some training time with Janich (who I think "gets it"), I recommend looking for a Personal Defense Readiness seminar as a good place to start. Many of the PDR instructors also teach traditional arts or are full fledged S.P.E.A.R. Instructors that can offer both short term awareness/empowerment/strengthening as well as long term courses of study. In this way, Janich also offers those of you looking for an integrated approach to using tools (knives, sticks, guns) that fits mentally with a practical approach to unarmed defense.

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This is both a tough question and an incredibly easy one. As far as deciding which systems are best, I would say those that contain movements that rely on easily learned gross motor skills--stuff that you can learn reasonably well in a short period of time and be able to apply effectively if you are attacked sometime soon. They should also be tactics that allow you to immediately understand the function they provide. If you're spending your time practicing the "Flying Lotus" or "Gargling Badger" or some other movement that doesn't immediately conjure up vivid visions of pounding the snot out of someone, you're not on the most direct path to learning how to defend yourself on the street.

In evaluating systems, you must also consider your physical attributes, limitations, and build. Sumo is a lousy art for a guy that's 6' 2'' and weighs 160 pounds. Tae Kwon Do doesn't work well for someone that's 5' 2'' and 250. That doesn't mean that ALL of the techniques of those arts are inappropriate for those people, but enough of them are inconsistent with their physical statures to make them poor choices.

Are there generic arts that offer a good body of technique for MOST people? Yes. That brings us to the second part of the problem: Finding an instructor that's willing to cater to YOUR needs.

The problem with any institutionalized matial art or self-defense system is that it survives by making people fight according to that system. It creates a progressive structure that you are supposed to navigate through to develop proficiency in the system. Ideally, those goals are consistent with your goals and you learn stuff that's relevant to keeping yourself safe. If those goals are geared more toward fitness, competition, cross-cultural experiences, or other directions that do not support learning how to hurt your attacker and get away, you're not taking the shortest route to developing the skills you need.

For example, Brazilian Jujitsu is an awesome art that has much to recommend it. As a competitive art and a basis for developing combative skill, it has a lot to offer. However, if your biggest fear is going to the ground in a streetfight on concrete, learning any tactics that emphasize grappling on all fours (knees and elbows on the ground) may be very counterproductive. When you fight the way you train, you stand the chance of destroying your elbows and knees on the concrete.

Please understand that this is an example used to illustrate a point--not an attack on BJJ. It was based on actual experiences with one of my private students during a training session that "went off the mat."

So how do you get what you want? First, define a clear set of goals for your personal defense needs. Then start visiting different schools and discuss your goals with the instructor. Tell him that you respect his art and his approach, but you want to focus on your specific goals. If you see his students doing something that you feel is impractical (i.e. jumping, spinning kicks), tell him that's not for you and see what he says. If he's not willing to work with you and your goals or tries to lead you off into the martial arts weeds, walk away.

For practical self-defense, some arts are definitely better than others. Unfortunately, as we say in Martial Blade Concepts, "If you try hard enough, you can f%$& up anything." You may find a great kung fu instructor that meets your needs better than a Krav Maga instructor that isn't representing the full potential of his system.

Remember, it's your butt, so you get to choose.

Stay safe,

Mike


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For practical self-defense, some arts are definitely better than others. Unfortunately, as we say in Martial Blade Concepts, "If you try hard enough, you can f%$& up anything." You may find a great kung fu instructor that meets your needs better than a Krav Maga instructor that isn't representing the full potential of his system.

Remember, it's your butt, so you get to choose.

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I'd say first and foremost, find something that focuses on defense and not competition.
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MJ, thank you for that insight.

I visited the MMA school again tonight. I am going to spend a month training with them to give it a fair shake.

We went rounds with stand-up sparring with light gloves tonight. I cannot believe how hard it is to go three or four rounds. I felt like I had run wind sprints.  :o     If you get clinched up, you gotta fight your way out of it.

Worked on a drill where one student would lie flat on the ground with an opponant in a side mount. You had 30 seconds to get the attacker off of you using any means possible (while they used any means possible to keep you there - we didn't use strikes, but the advanced students did). Really changes your mindset when you just want out; just trying to get clear and get standing.

I really like your logic that my goals can be met in any dicipline so long as the instructor is willing and able to tailor the training. The class being six (seven with me), I am hoping that won't be a problem.

One of the advanced students spent a few years training in Tae Kwon Do, and during the kick sparring the instructor got after him for that "Tae Kwon Do crap." Just kick dammit!  (nothing against that form, the instructor just wants everything straight forward and to the point - I suppose this is keeping with your gross motor skills statement).

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Sounds like you have at least found a place to work out and develop skills, that should work for now!


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"Just break the wrist and walk away."
     

Sorry, I couldnt help it.

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haha - that is so funny. That is one of our all-time favorites. Last night on my way to class my wife and I were texting about that movie.

Me: [Kip] Try and hit me Napoleon. [/Kip]
Wife: [Rex] Show me your best moves. [/Rex]

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I'll just throw in one small tidbit that kind of sums up what some of the others have been saying.  Bruce Lee was mentioned earlier on and I believe he summed it up best when he said, "Use what works for you!" 

When I was younger and still able, I loved martial arts and studied whenever and whatever I could.  I learned some Tang Soo Do, Tae Kwon Do, Jiu Jitsu, Aikido, Hap Ki Do, Goju Ryu, Shito Ryu and Judo.  Unfortunately I never had the chance to try Jeet Kune Do, but I do remember that it was devised as a "style without a style" which incorporated parts of several different arts and was based on the practitioner's movements and abilities, so while I like Aikido for quickly using an opponents movements against him, it is not always the appropriate tool.  I think that by working with MMA may be of use, but don't just stop there and investigate any other types of martial arts that can help give you an edge.  If you can pick up just one move from each of several styles, you are much farther ahead than gaining instructor status in any one style.  Remember, street fighting has no rules, so in order to defend yourself in that type of situation, you must not be hampered by rules yourself.  My Daddy always used to say, "Don't ever start a fight, but if someone else starts it, use anything you can to end it!"  That includes the "good hickory stick" or the piece of pipe or the rock.  The objective is to end any fight while sustaining as little damage as possible.

Since I can no longer do most of the things I used to do, I now have to be prepared to use my cane as my first line of defense and then my gun if necessary.  Half of the battle is readiness, so I am always alert to what is going on around me and mentally plan what action to take in any given situation at all times.
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