Would you think its worthy of defending your life with?!?!

[tombogan03884]

Knew a guy once (plant manager at a die cast shop I worked at 25+ years ago) that tried to kill himself with a .22 pistol...shot himself in the head. He suffered some fine motor skills issues (similar to a stroke), but he lived. They had to leave the bullet in his brain.

That builds my confidence.   

NOT

[Badgersmilk]

I met a guy that strips paint off oil rigs for a living.  His 3,000 psi sand blaster broke a hose and it whipped accross his neck while flying loose uncontrolled.  Cut a 1" line from his jugular to his ear.  The hospital emptied "a cup and a half" of sand from the back of his skull!  He's walking around perfectly normal and happy, just one HELL of a scar.

Sooo, anybody want to let me pop a round of .22 at their heads yet???  Uh, huh.  Talk the talk!

Point being...  Whats your point?  There are all kinds of amazing stories out there.

Seen the video on youtube where the guy gets hit in the head with a 50 bmg, gets up and says "we're not doing that again!"?  HOLLY COW!  So he proved beyond question .50 BMG wont kill a person!!!!

[TAB]

I met a guy that strips paint off oil rigs for a living.  His 3,000 psi sand blaster broke a hose and it whipped accross his neck while flying loose uncontrolled.  Cut a 1" line from his jugular to his ear.  The hospital emptied "a cup and a half" of sand from the back of his skull!  He's walking around perfectly normal and happy, just one HELL of a scar.

Sooo, anybody want to let me pop a round of .22 at their heads yet???  Uh, huh.  Talk the talk!

Point being...  Whats your point?  There are all kinds of amazing stories out there.

Seen the video on youtube where the guy gets hit in the head with a 50 bmg, gets up and says "we're not doing that again!"?  HOLLY COW!  So he proved beyond question .50 BMG wont kill a person!!!!

sand blasters are very deadly.( water blasters the same thing)  So are ariless paint sprayers.  Think about it, 3000 pso, thru something that is between .011 and .023 inchs.    They have aflow rates of between .5 gpm and 2.5 gpm.


When I was a kid, my grandfather took me to a job site.   A painter using an airless with out a trigger gruad, was coming down a ladder with the gun over her shoulder.  The formen stoped him hald way down to go back up and hit a spot he missed.  While talking to the forement he turned around and leaned back.   It was only a split second, but it filled his butt cheek with a couple cups of paint.   I saw the guy about 10 years ago.  to this day he no longer has a right butt cheek and walks with a limp.  I've also seen people remove the housing while and pulling the trigger.... its not pretty. 

Fook with me while I'm working with any of above mentioned tools... if your close, your going to lose very badly.   I'd rather be shot then tango with a high presure tool.

[ericire12]

Since you are still trying to make your case, I guess you dont know how to left click so Ill post it here in the thread:
http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/22lr/gel22lr.htm


Aguila Super Maximum 30gr
.22 lr Gelatin Tests
Test pistol: Taurus PT-22 - 2.75 inch barrel  <--------- Thats the Taurus copy of your Beretta

Velocity
fps / st dv          1027      19.8

FP Energy                   70     <------------------

Penetration
inches / st dv     11.6      0.65

Expansion
inches / st dv     .220      0.00




*If you are going to have discussions on here with us, then you must actually read what others are posting. Your debate has been undressed more times then a $50 hooker.

[Badgersmilk]

Enricae12.  Fact is.  You just bought whats nearly the weakest mouse gun ever devised, and a recycled pop bottle one at that.  AFTER reading this thread.  Tells me I accomplished my goal, and this / my thread served its purpose.  HA! 

Made people consider or reconsider the option of mouse guns for self defense.  Argue all you want.  YOU just bought the gun!   

Really think a .32's gonna do a lot more than a .22 huh?  To each their own.

[Sponsor]

[Badgersmilk]

Interesting bit of Trivia:

The original publicity shots of Sean Connery holding a pistol was a bit of a blooper, as the gun he was holding was in reality just a Walther .177 caliber air pistol, as when Sean Connery went to the photo-shoot nobody had thought to bring a Walther PPK.  One of the photographers practiced a bit of air pistol shooting.  He had the airgun in his car, so  he fetched it and that was what they used.

[tombogan03884]

I had to shoot a puppy one time, I used a .22rifle at 5 feet and it bounced off. .22 are for squirrels and plinking.
Any one who depends on a .22 for PD is an idiot and will die when his life depends on a toy.
I can't believe this stupid thread is still running.

[PegLeg45]

I had to shoot a puppy one time, I used a .22rifle at 5 feet and it bounced off. .22 are for squirrels and plinking.
Any one who depends on a .22 for PD is an idiot and will die when his life depends on a toy.
I can't believe this stupid thread is still running.

After 7 pages, I'll pipe in and say "+1"     



Shot a possum 9 times with a .22 out of a Nylon 66. Little bastard just sat there smiling.
Went into the house and came back with a 1911. He was still there......alive and smiling.
Ol' JMB's creation put a one-shot end to the festivities.

I surely am glad possums don't shoot back.

[ericire12]

Enricae12.  Fact is.  You just bought whats nearly the weakest mouse gun ever devised, and a recycled pop bottle one at that.  AFTER reading this thread.  Tells me I accomplished my goal, and this / my thread served its purpose.  HA! 

Made people consider or reconsider the option of mouse guns for self defense.  Argue all you want.  YOU just bought the gun!  

Really think a .32's gonna do a lot more than a .22 huh?  To each their own.

Yes, I bought a mouse gun after a long thought out way to fill a need and about a month of searching for the right pistol to do so. I do not have a Rambo complex and wont try to perpetrate that I carry a tactical 1911 "even in the shower". Nor have I watched so many movies that I think I can take on a tactical assault team with my .22 Beretta. I understand a mouse gun's shortcomings and do not for one minute think that it is anything but an alternative to being completely unarmed.

This entire debate has centered around if .22lr is suitable for personal defense, and once again, the answer is a resounding NO. This thread has had nothing to do with mouse gun calibers other then your weak interjection that the .22 ammo that you swear by far outperforms .380 ACP.  

http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php/topic,5692.msg69612.html#msg69612

As far as .32 ACP compared to .22lr  is concerned..... with the .32 I will be able to get approx 2-3 times more energy, a larger diameter bullet, more then adequate penetration, and a bullet designed for expansion (and one that will consistently expand to .450'').

I am sorry to break the news to you, but that little .22 of yours is not gonna out perform a .45 ACP in muzzle energy like you stated it does in your original post.
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php/topic,5692.msg67559.html#msg67559

Every idea you have put forth in this thread has been nothing but laughable. No facts presented, just overblown rhetoric and flat out false numbers to justify your misguided beliefs.

Its so sad that this is probably one of those things that you are going to have to learn the hard way, but sometimes there is just no getting around natural selection.....

[Easy]

I read the thread and at first I thought this was a joke, but soon realized someone is not playing with a full deck...

I think all that can be said is said, so I'll beg off but would add just a little advice to the author...partner with someone who has a real weapon capable of stopping an intruder, otherwise consider yourself another statistic in the world of the terminally ignorant...