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Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2009, 11:19:07 PM »
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I haven't read where you provide any evidence that any of the claims made by this film is a fraud or hoax. Instead of casting aspersions, why don't you watch it, research the claims made, and post your research and shut up Alex Jones, and those like him, once and for all?

I have researched some of what he has said, and can say that based upon what I have looked at I can say he has some credibility, though I am still skeptical of other things he says.

In case you missed it, the Prime Minister of England, Gordon Brown, has called for a "new world order" or a one world governing body that will help synchronize the financial systems of the world. Not long after, Vladimir Putin called for a universal currency that would replace the U.S. dollar as the de facto universal currency. Next, the Chi-coms echoed the same sentiment. And lastly, our own treasury secretary says he thinks that may be a good idea too. What's wrong with creating this financial "Tower of Babel"? Think about it: one universal governing body controlling all of the world's economies. By extension, that means controlling you and I.

The really sophisticated people like you will dismiss all of this as just another paranoid delusion by some troglodytes who probably should be put into those alleged FEMA camps anyway.....

You are correct that I  have only listened to/watched cuts of this film that were provided free on the web. I have not sat through the whole 90 minute extravaganza. However, as I have said here and elsewhere I am deeply sceptical of conspiracy theories of any sort. Why? Because they offer simple explanations for complex problems. Just like folks who say I can lose weight by eating more bacon and drinking less OJ, I tend to raise an eyebrow. Maybe its just my training as a student of political history, but I have yet to see an example ANYWHERE where a group of people were competant enough to pull this kind of thing off, much less do it in secret. For Gods sake, the PRESIDENT of the US was impeached because he couldn't  keep a blow job under wraps. This same president couldn't, with all the favors owed and done, get his wife to beat an upstart nobody for the nomination. Why? Because she screwed up! This is the course of history. It is not written by elegant plots, but rather by blunders, happenstance and people making it up as they go along. I'm not an Obama fan boy, I'm a libertarian, but every ounce of instinct, every bit of training, and every hour I've spent studying political history tells me that conspiricacy theories, while satisfying because they make "sense", are too neat by half. They just don't fit the historical record. We may very well wind up off a cliff, but it won't be by design, just by shortsighted incompetance.
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Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2009, 11:37:03 PM »
People, people, people.......... it's NOT "Tin Foil".................

It's ALUMINUM Foil.........................................Dammit.


Now......on with the squabbles.....    :-\

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Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2009, 11:54:11 PM »
People, people, people.......... it's NOT "Tin Foil".................

It's ALUMINUM Foil.........................................Dammit.


Now......on with the squabbles.....    :-\


Thanks Peg, a necessary correction for the craziness. This is a dispute that won't be resolved. You either believe or you don't. To hell with it. Do you still have that hog problem? Because my TENT (not your couch) and my very untactical Ruger M77 .270 can be there in about 10 hours if you're feeling endangered.I'd hate to think a fine American like yourself was afraid to go out his front door for fear of possibly tactical wild pigs. ;D
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PS there was a thread on highpoint carbines that addressed the keltec su-200. Rumor has it that you own one. A little feed back would not go amiss.

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Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2009, 12:13:26 AM »
Thanks Peg, a necessary correction for the craziness. This is a dispute that won't be resolved. You either believe or you don't. To hell with it. Do you still have that hog problem? Because my TENT (not your couch) and my very untactical Ruger M77 .270 can be there in about 10 hours if you're feeling endangered.I'd hate to think a fine American like yourself was afraid to go out his front door for fear of possibly tactical wild pigs. ;D
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PS there was a thread on highpoint carbines that addressed the keltec su-200. Rumor has it that you own one. A little feed back would not go amiss.


I wasn't bashing on you guys and your discussion. Just a little levity thrown in because the 'tinfoil' made me chuckle. I worked in the aluminum industry for many years and once knew of a fellow who nearly lost his job for repeatedly using said term in front of the company owner, who despised it for its inaccuracy.
Just my own personal giggle moment.   ;)

And, yes, as a matter of fact I happen to have a Sub-2000 in .40 S&W. It's an accurate little rifle. I might just take it to the range next trip and do an ammo test and range report (and porn) if there's interest.
Alas....but that's a different thread.
"I expect perdition, I always have. I keep this building at my back, and several guns handy, in case perdition arrives in a form that's susceptible to bullets. I expect it will come in the disease form, though. I'm susceptible to diseases, and you can't shoot a damned disease." ~ Judge Roy Bean, Streets of Laredo

For the Patriots of this country, the Constitution is second only to the Bible for most. For those who love this country, but do not share my personal beliefs, it is their Bible. To them nothing comes before the Constitution of these United States of America. For this we are all labeled potential terrorists. ~ Dean Garrison

"When it comes to the enemy, just because they ain't pullin' a trigger, doesn't mean they ain't totin' ammo for those that are."~PegLeg

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Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2009, 02:09:58 PM »
...can I be a bit frank now?

Many of the local and state law enforcement community (exception being the Sheriff Departments) have already and/or are in the process of being federalized and will go along with the status quo for many reasons. Providing provisions for their family, they like the work; while others will pay into it just because they enjoy cracking a few skulls (beating their chest just because they can - heck, they have ample cover because of all the corruption going on out of WDC...I always thought growing up law enforcement in particular was about service and serving others; which it was then but not now amongst many within law enforcement - law enforcement being as divided among many of the same lines as is the populace they're policing.

So when someone poo poos this or that, consider where it is they're coming from - not everyone who says they're patriotic are in fact true patriots, most particularly when one considers the term patriot would be rooted in their belief and/or understanding about how things work in the realm of 'ideas'. We are a Constitutional Republic; not a democracy first and foremost. But if you are coming up via the ranks this United States of America is a democracy you'll tend to rationalize away certain truths as outdated (or what not) concerning such things as one's oath of office whether you're the president or a military person or law enforcement officer...If you believe we're a Constitutional Republic with all the laws and rules applicable to everyone whether president or a person living in a poor house...that justice is blind...than the oath you take is going to mean something different...

We all have this one life to live is all we get - and either the words of our founding fathers means what it says and says what it means as being from God; or Big Gov out of DC is god - and gets to change the rules of the game after the games has already started such as they've been famous at doing the past 100 years...tares being planet at America's founding right along with the wheat, and the harvest (what side of the fence you're going to commit to being on) is white onto harvest insofar as America is concerned...the lines having been drawn at America's founding, for those with ears...

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Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
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Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2009, 04:55:34 PM »
...can I be a bit frank now?


Well, I don't know.  Have you tried it before?  Why not be a bit Joe or Bill?










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Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2009, 12:03:10 AM »
Well, I don't know.  Have you tried it before?  Why not be a bit Joe or Bill?










;D

Crap, I was going to tell him NO , thats Jumbo's job . ;D

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Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2009, 12:09:22 AM »
...can I be a bit frank now?

Many of the local and state law enforcement community (exception being the Sheriff Departments) have already and/or are in the process of being federalized and will go along with the status quo for many reasons. Providing provisions for their family, they like the work; while others will pay into it just because they enjoy cracking a few skulls (beating their chest just because they can - heck, they have ample cover because of all the corruption going on out of WDC...I always thought growing up law enforcement in particular was about service and serving others; which it was then but not now amongst many within law enforcement - law enforcement being as divided among many of the same lines as is the populace they're policing.

So when someone poo poos this or that, consider where it is they're coming from - not everyone who says they're patriotic are in fact true patriots, most particularly when one considers the term patriot would be rooted in their belief and/or understanding about how things work in the realm of 'ideas'. We are a Constitutional Republic; not a democracy first and foremost. But if you are coming up via the ranks this United States of America is a democracy you'll tend to rationalize away certain truths as outdated (or what not) concerning such things as one's oath of office whether you're the president or a military person or law enforcement officer...If you believe we're a Constitutional Republic with all the laws and rules applicable to everyone whether president or a person living in a poor house...that justice is blind...than the oath you take is going to mean something different...

We all have this one life to live is all we get - and either the words of our founding fathers means what it says and says what it means as being from God; or Big Gov out of DC is god - and gets to change the rules of the game after the games has already started such as they've been famous at doing the past 100 years...tares being planet at America's founding right along with the wheat, and the harvest (what side of the fence you're going to commit to being on) is white onto harvest insofar as America is concerned...the lines having been drawn at America's founding, for those with ears...


Only if the public remains to gutless to kill the SOB's.
Back in the 30's and 40's there were a group who thought following orders justified any action, we killed many of them by hanging at Nuremberg.

Before you get to riled up take a breath and remember this. They can pass any law they want, but then they have to enforce it. The Military and Police in America total about 2 or 3 million bodies, of which at LEAST 25% are politically unreliable (they will side with the public and the constitution rather than the Administration and it's edicts), There are 90 Million gun owners, probably half (guess) are Veterans, if just 10%, (a fairly insignificant PERCENTAGE) Say F you, to the Administration, you have an armed force of 9 million POed people, just the 4.5 million with previous military training would have nearly a 2 to 1 advantage over the armed elements of Govt.

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Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2009, 04:58:31 PM »
Tin Foil suits this crowd better ,myself included. And go's well with the subject matter to. 8) 8) 8)

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Re: The Obama Deception Full length version
« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2009, 06:55:37 PM »
Tin Foil suits this crowd better ,myself included. And go's well with the subject matter to. 8) 8) 8)

Welcome to the club - regardless of whether one believes things going on out of DC is on purpose and by some pre-designed script in which both the democrats and the republicans are working together toward the same ends or not, what's going on out of this nation's capital is amoral and totally bankrupt - and if it's that bad at the head, the body following can't be far behind; can it?

Again, I know there's many vets, myself but one, out there well aware the scam is on -- but the feds out of DC own the B-52 bombers and other such hardware; now if we can get some of those pilots over on the side of our nation being a Constitutional Republic (everyone under the same rules [no more special perks and special deals for politicians to avoid accountability...etc] with justice being blind to bribes and fraud etc...) - not a democracy, which is synonymous with mob-rule and changing the rules after the games already started - then you might very well be on to something positive coming out of all this...

Lines are clearly being drawn as to what side each one of us is going to be on (there's not much more time left toward the fence sitters) whether back toward our foundational documents of our framers with this being a Constitutional Republic; or we'll advance into democracy, then socialism, and finally communism/fascism with our very own little Hitler ruling over us all...history always wanting to repeat itself, you know...

 

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