Disarming citizens during traffic stops

[Ichiban]

I got pulled over for speeding.  I'm an OWG (old white guy), it was a nice neighborhood, and I had my groceries in the back seat.  I wasn't carrying at the time and didn't have a gun in the car either.  As the cop was writing me up I asked if my CCW came up when he ran my plates.  He kind of stopped what he was doing and asked if I was armed.  I said no (didn't want to even mention the pocket knife).  He said he hadn't bother to run my plates but he didn't answer my question either.

A former LEO friend said not to even bother telling them unless they want you to get out of the car.  Not advise I would recommend following.  The last this I want is to get my ass kicked by the po-lice. http://www.dorks.com/videos/Chris-Rock---How-not-to-get-Beaten-by-the-Police.html

[Big Frank]

That was funny. I learned a few things too. 

[twyacht]

Thanks Ichiban! Now I have to get the beer off my laptop.............

   That was very funny.....

[Ping]

Watched an episode of "Personal Defense" and Massad Ayoob showed how to hand the officer your driver's license and CCW. I keep mine together to do the same. I'd rather be up front than have some rookie observe my sidearm and freak out. 

[TAB]

Watched an episode of "Personal Defense" and Massad Ayoob showed how to hand the officer your driver's license and CCW. I keep mine together to do the same. I'd rather be up front than have some rookie observe my sidearm and freak out. 

or have a jumpy officer.

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[ismram]

I shoot alot, I train alot, and with alot of other people. I would trust a very few of them with my firearm. I especialy would not trust anyone taking my firearm out of my inside the waistband holster. I would have no problem taking it out myself and putting it on my seat and going to the back of my or his car. I am not bashing anyone but some of the people I shoot with are poilce officers. As said before not all LEO's are gun guys. Even if you are It's hard too know the operation of every firearm. If you had intent to do the officer harm, why would you tell him you have a gun? If I was all over the road and ran into a gas pump yes take the gun, but for a blown out taillamp COMEON! Use your head!

[tombogan03884]

I shoot alot, I train alot, and with alot of other people. I would trust a very few of them with my firearm. I especialy would not trust anyone taking my firearm out of my inside the waistband holster. I would have no problem taking it out myself and putting it on my seat and going to the back of my or his car. I am not bashing anyone but some of the people I shoot with are poilce officers. As said before not all LEO's are gun guys. Even if you are It's hard too know the operation of every firearm. If you had intent to do the officer harm, why would you tell him you have a gun? If I was all over the road and ran into a gas pump yes take the gun, but for a blown out taillamp COMEON! Use your head!

The ability to DO THAT is lacking today, that's why we have "zero tolerance " policies and other stupidity.

[Hazcat]

During this whole thing with my accountant ripping me off I had an experience that may be relevent.  The scum bag said his house was robbed and called the cops.  He told them I probably did it! (remeber he lived in a house I own across the street from my home).  When they showed up and he told them the story I happened to walk down the side walk.  Three cops stpped me and asked if I was David Brown.  I said yes and they asked if they could talk to me. 

Knowing what was going on I said sure.  One cop was right in front of me, another to my right front (quartering) at about 5 yards and the third was on my right hip at about three yards. 

The one in front asked for ID so I handed over my DL and CCW.  She said are you armed now?  I said Yes, of course I am.  No big movment on their part execpt to try to see where 'it' was.  The cop on my hip pocket side laughed and she asked whay he was laughing.  He said "I can't find it".  Then she asked me where and I pointed to my right side and said 'right here'.  They asked 'can I see it"  I said 'sure and as you asked I am NOT flashing'.  They all said yep.  I pulled my shirt up and they finally saw it and said ".22?"  I said "Nope .380" and they said "Wow. cool!"

Very few questions as it seemed they took me as the good citizen and him as the scumbag.  I honestly think my CCW helped.

[ismram]

The ability to DO THAT is lacking today, that's why we have "zero tolerance " policies and other stupidity.

Tom, What else is lacking is a think called Common Sense! It was once common, now it seems rare.

[ismram]

During this whole thing with my accountant ripping me off I had an experience that may be relevent.  The scum bag said his house was robbed and called the cops.  He told them I probably did it! (remeber he lived in a house I own across the street from my home).  When they showed up and he told them the story I happened to walk down the side walk.  Three cops stpped me and asked if I was David Brown.  I said yes and they asked if they could talk to me. 

Knowing what was going on I said sure.  One cop was right in front of me, another to my right front (quartering) at about 5 yards and the third was on my right hip at about three yards. 

The one in front asked for ID so I handed over my DL and CCW.  She said are you armed now?  I said Yes, of course I am.  No big movment on their part execpt to try to see where 'it' was.  The cop on my hip pocket side laughed and she asked whay he was laughing.  He said "I can't find it".  Then she asked me where and I pointed to my right side and said 'right here'.  They asked 'can I see it"  I said 'sure and as you asked I am NOT flashing'.  They all said yep.  I pulled my shirt up and they finally saw it and said ".22?"  I said "Nope .380" and they said "Wow. cool!"

Very few questions as it seemed they took me as the good citizen and him as the scumbag.  I honestly think my CCW helped.

Good for you Haz, that's the way it should work. One point for the GOOD GUYS!