Disarming citizens during traffic stops

[TAB]

I'd rather have them trained to clear autos then single actions.

they are not very common and unless the hammer is cocked, even pulling the trigger does not make them go bang.

[Sc0rp10n3]

I have a separate, small case which has three clear plastic windows for my DL, Military ID and HCP (it's called a Handgun Carry Permit in TN).  If I'm ever stopped for any reason, the first thing I will do is reach into my shirt pocket and retrieve those three items to produce to the LEO.  Then it is up to him or her whether they want me to reach into the glove compartment to retrieve my insurance card as well as to ask if I am carrying (I always am) and what they want me to do then.  In the meantime, my hands will remain on the steering wheel at all times after retrieving and handing them my documents.  I do not want to take any chances with a LEO who may be new on the job or has never encountered someone with a carry permit so I want to make it as clear as possible that I have a permit and, if asked, will tell them that I am armed.  If, after that, they want me to step outside the vehicle and "assume the position" I will be happy to comply.  They have a tough enough job to do already and I have no intention of making it any tougher for them or for myself.

[tt11758]

There is a diffrence between saying for both our safety and just yours.  The "i'm going home at any cost" stick is one of the major probs with LEOs .they have lost the "protect and serve" deal for , "i'm better then you are"  Its all over the plave, it just shows its ugly head when it comes to guns.

I'm sorry TAB, but in this case you are just plain wrong.  It's not a matter of one person being "better" than another, it's a matter of not knowing you from Adam, not knowing if you are nervous, high, just coming from killing your spouse, what have you.  The LEO's see things on a daily basis that are so horrendous that you wouldn't be able to wrap your little brain around them.  Do they seem paranoid to you?  Perhaps.  But remember, just because one is paranoid doesn't mean that somebody ISN'T out to get you.

[rojawe]

Kansas you are not required to tell the officer you are carrying unless he or her ask if you are and then yes by law.  Our instructor was a retired cop and said to not say anything about being armed unless asked.  I asked about Missouri rules on telling the officer and never got a clear answer.

[TAB]

I'm sorry TAB, but in this case you are just plain wrong.  It's not a matter of one person being "better" than another, it's a matter of not knowing you from Adam, not knowing if you are nervous, high, just coming from killing your spouse, what have you.  The LEO's see things on a daily basis that are so horrendous that you wouldn't be able to wrap your little brain around them.  Do they seem paranoid to you?  Perhaps.  But remember, just because one is paranoid doesn't mean that somebody ISN'T out to get you.

So your ok with LEOs being able to buy guns you can't?  I'm not talking about machine guns.  or how about them getting nation wide CCW, you could be a 18 yo that is the son of the sheriff, working as a file clerk and carry nation wide.  yet some one that has spent thier entire life as a weapons instructor for the miltary can not carry nation wide.  You really don't see a prob with that?


Something else to think about. LEOs are not even in the top 10 most dangerous jobs, nor are then in the top 5 for being assulted while on the job. 

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[jframesmith]

I gotta agree with TAB on this one. The attitude of "I'm going home at the end of the shift and if you get hurt, or killed, or your rights are violated, that's just too bad" might be appropriate for the Charlie sector of Detroit or Five Points in NYC or any other area known for high crime, it just isn't necessary for most situations.  Respect given is respect received.

Here in Ohio, we've had a reported instance where an OHP officer disarmed a driver by reaching into the vehicle, across the driver and unholstering the weapon from the driver's right hip thereby exposing his entire torso, his weapon, and the back of his head to the driver. I really wouldn't call that safe, would you?

So..if ever I am stopped by an LEO I will have ready my, DL, my CHL, and my INS. Then, I'll hit the button on my digital recorder. After all, it's for your protection and mine..

[Rastus]

............. I think every Cop should be required to spend some of their own time at a gun store going through the samples till they've figured them all out. As for the wounded Cop Chick it seems that more than a few of them here in WA State have been killed through what seem to be poor tactics.

Yup.  A week long weapons handling course to advance public safety.  Sounds like a great idea.

..........Something else to think about. LEOs are not even in the top 10 most dangerous jobs, nor are then in the top 5 for being assaulted while on the job. 

Dang Tab, I gotta say I see some movement to the right in you.  But, careful with what you say, you are "dissin" the LEO Holy Grail here....gee, have you no respect?  I lost several people who I was friends with working offshore platforms for 10 years but all the buds that were in law enforcement back in college are still kicking (and I say that's a good thing).  No parades, no salutes, nothing but a regular funeral.

Being an officer is a suckey job but not the most dangerous across the nation.  There are some officers who use the danger mystique to enhance their own self-image...Tab....if some are on this board you just pissed them off.  We all know it can be a dangerous and fatal job but when compared to national averages as a profession it's not the most dangerous. 

Tab...what's the 10 most dangerous jobs?

[Teresa Heilevang]

#1........Having my family in danger and you being between them and me............
Your chances coming out alive are better if you encountered Satan!
 In fact..that is what you might think your job had been if that happened..  hahaha

Ok now..........next job? 

[JSC3ATLCSO]

#1........Having my family in danger and you being between them and me............
Your chances coming out alive are better if you encountered Satan!
 In fact..that is what you might think your job had been if that happened..  hahaha

Ok now..........next job? 

Awesome Marshal'ette - I know several females with the same life outlook.  Very dangerous job

[ismram]

So your ok with LEOs being able to buy guns you can't?  I'm not talking about machine guns.  or how about them getting nation wide CCW, you could be a 18 yo that is the son of the sheriff, working as a file clerk and carry nation wide.  yet some one that has spent thier entire life as a weapons instructor for the miltary can not carry nation wide.  You really don't see a prob with that?


Something else to think about. LEOs are not even in the top 10 most dangerous jobs, nor are then in the top 5 for being assulted while on the job. 

I don't think we should underscore the dangers of being in law enforcement. Sure they don't die at the rate of some other jobs but when they die someone else is usually doing the killing. I worked in construction and saw people die. In every instance I saw, it was there own fault. Not being tied off or being in a position they should not have been in. WhatI am saying is that some LEO's need to think a little more use there heads and evaluate there situation. When a person tells them that they are carrying, I would think that the chances are very low that the person is planning on doing the officer harm. If the officer can't do that, maybe he picked the wrong line of work.