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"If I Only had a Gun" - not hopeful it's fair and balanced
« on: April 10, 2009, 06:52:49 PM »
Saw a clip (sorry Haz) on TV where the Bethlehem PD offered free firearms training to college students - some with no experience and others with "100 hours at a range". One hundred hours at a range toted like it was an 'experienced shooter'. Then these newly trained students were handed protective gear, some got Glock simulators (paint bullets) and way too long white tee shirts to conceal the pistol.  Guy they showed 'concealed' his FULL SIZE GLOCK in the 2 o'clock position into his belt, probably not with real or any gun leather. Visible to a blind squirrel, to boot. These 'trained' people were then crowded into a small lecture center environ.

Next, in comes a guy in a blue shirt. Starts saying, "I told you I'd be back" and fires at the herd.  People scatter, the kid with the 2 O'clock Glock can't get it out of his pants, tangles it in his shirt.  Seems to have never practiced a draw from concealment. All the while a narrator is talking about how ineffective the CCW patsies are, how one almost 'hits an innocent' while standing up and exposing herself before shooting. Anotherr comment - "ordinary people can't deal with these stressors effectively, unlike highly trained professionals". My immediate add on to the last comment was,  "... who aren't here and won't be until the slaughter is over."

Quote from the 20/20 web site:
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Dorney said, "You get tunnel vision as well, because now you're not looking at the entire environment; you're focused on one thing, and it's probably going to be the threat. It's been equated to taking paper towel rolls when they're empty, and sticking them up to your eyes. That's almost what you see. And ... and you have to train yourself to be able to break that."

Also, they said, the vigilante is responsible for whatever his or her bullets hit.

"You have to be able to know what your target is; but you also have to know what's behind your target, what's around your target; you're very responsible for everything," Benton said. "One stray bullet that misses and hits a bystander, you're responsible for it."

Bold mine. Vigilante my ass! Who came to who and started this mess?  Note the presumption is also that you hitting someone to stop a mass murderer before he kills everyone he can is made to seem like the worst thing in the world. Of course you don't want to hit an innocent. But to not fire because this may happen is still tantamount to murder by statistics. The longer you wait, the more people die.

I really, really hope John Stossel weighs in strongly and convincingly in favor, but the writing already seems to be on the wall. The ABC machine will stifle Stossel and edit the positive aspects into oblivion.

Oh, well. One more day in the Socialist Utopia.  :'(

Edit: Pulled this comment from 20/20's page. SeemsI'm not the only one to notice...

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I watched with interest your exerpt from the 20/20 report which was aired on this evenings news broadcast. Let me state at the outset that I am not a gun owner or a member or representative of the NRA or any other gun owner's organizattion. I have been considering buying a gun to keep in the home, with an option to also get a concealed carry permit, which is easy here in Florida. So I've been researching the subject and going to a pistol range with friends. I had a feeling that your story would show a bumbling person unable to properly use a gun in a panic situation, and I wasn't disappointed. While I completely agree with the premise that an untrained, ill equipped person might be more of a liability than a help, the obvious point is that people who apply for carry permits should be given the necessary training to safely and effectively use a handgun. Simply showing an example of someone stumbling and bumbling through a staged scenario is both overly simplistic and misleading. You showed someone with a way too large gun stuffed into a belt and covered with a way too large baggy shirt, pretty much guaranteeing what took place. A properly trained individual would carry a gun more suited to concealed carry, in a proper holster or waistpack. The police can and should play a role in assisting law abiding citizens who wish to carry a handgun or keep a firearm in their homes to become competent in their use. When the bullets fly, even cops panic. It's all about training, not simplistically saying that people with guns automatically guarantee tragedy.
Anti: I think some of you gentleman would choose to apply a gun shaped remedy to any problem or potential problem that presented itself? Your reverance (sic) for firearms is maintained with an almost religious zeal. The mind boggles! it really does...

Me: Naw, we just apply a gun-shaped remedy to those extreme life threatening situations that call for it. All the less urgent problems we're willing to discuss.

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Re: "If I Only had a Gun" - not hopeful it's fair and balanced
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2009, 09:33:27 PM »
Damn thing is AWFUL!
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Re: "If I Only had a Gun" - not hopeful it's fair and balanced
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2009, 09:46:25 PM »
Damn thing is AWFUL!

An abortion.

There's nothing like fair and unbiased reporting.............. ::)
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Re: "If I Only had a Gun" - not hopeful it's fair and balanced
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2009, 09:49:43 PM »
2nd that haz - There are so many counter- arguements so little time

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Re: "If I Only had a Gun" - not hopeful it's fair and balanced
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2009, 09:52:43 PM »
It is playing in the background and I'm just steaming. >:(

What I'd like to know is why ABC and Diane Sawyer used the Bethlehem, PA Police Dept as their "experts"? It isn't like they are a big city or have well-known trainers as members of their department.

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Re: "If I Only had a Gun" - not hopeful it's fair and balanced
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Re: "If I Only had a Gun" - not hopeful it's fair and balanced
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2009, 10:01:08 PM »
Most one sided, biased reporting I have ever seen!

As far a Bethlehem...heavy democrap area. (1st wife was from there.)

My BIG question is why did the NRA refuse to be interviewed?
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Re: "If I Only had a Gun" - not hopeful it's fair and balanced
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2009, 10:04:56 PM »
I noticed John Stossel wasn't part of this nonsense.  He typically brings a much more reasoned and rational approach to the gun control debate.  No room for him tonight.
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Re: "If I Only had a Gun" - not hopeful it's fair and balanced
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2009, 10:07:59 PM »
It was definitely a "We know the answers we want now let's ask the questions" type of thing.
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Re: "If I Only had a Gun" - not hopeful it's fair and balanced
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2009, 10:08:44 PM »
Most one sided, biased reporting I have ever seen!

As far a Bethlehem...heavy democrap area. (1st wife was from there.)

My BIG question is why did the NRA refuse to be interviewed?
Second that. Its not like this was their first rodeo. They know how to stay on message. ABC would have been compelled to put some of it on and even if it had been the same six talking points it would have been something.
FQ13 who stil likes that kid reporter and wonders why Obama won't give him an interview. The kid really is a bright spark in a seriously blighted little Fl. town. Hell, the whole town raised money to send him to the inaugaration and Obama couldn't give him 5 minutes?

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Re: "If I Only had a Gun" - not hopeful it's fair and balanced
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2009, 10:14:38 PM »
Like the rest here, I'm ticked but I realize that isn't going to help without channeling this into some thing positive for our side. The question is how do we respond to this nonsense? We know we're being setup, how do we stop them? How do we counter them? This story seems like a greatest hits of all the anti-gun stories I have read and seen over the past 20 years.

 

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