Glock 19 or 23; 9 mm vs. .40?

[kmitch200]

It's probably going to depend on whether you are going to re- load or not.  Most of your 9mm cases are probably not going to be bulged at the base because 9mm runs at a lower pressure. The .40 S&W however, is known for having enough pressure in Glock pistols to make a bulge in the case at the heel, because of a lack of full case support right where the feed ramp meets the chamber. Generally it's not a good idea to try to reload  40 S&W  . I only shoot new ammo in my 23 . Save reloading your 40 cal. for pistols with match grade chambers such a a 1911 .

9mm does not run at a lower pressure than 40. They are the same according to SAAMI.
9mm+p runs hotter than 40.
9mm-35,000,  40-35,000,  9mm+p-38,500

http://www.saami.org/specifications_and_information/publications/download/205.pdf
(MAP column, pages 15, 16)

The Glock bulged or "guppied" cases have been addressed and it is no longer an issue.
In the research I've done, both searching the net and my own guns, gen 3s DO NOT BULGE CASES. After measuring a **bunch** of cases, I gave up on trying to find one and my gen3 G27, G23 aren't spring chickens by any means.
In fact, I bought the G19 to shoot +p  ammo because I didn't want to beat up my Al frame Sigs anymore. It doesn't bulge cases either.....
Thousands of people reload for their glocks daily w/o any problems whatsoever.

[robert69]

Well, I do own a gen 3 model 35, and it did bulge the cases, to the point that they could not be resized without building up a ridge of brass at the case head.
The solution was to replace the original glock barrel with a KKM match barrel.
Problem solved, and the group sizes shrunk dramatically at 25 yards.
Anyone want a model 35 glock barrel with about 100 rounds thru it?
By the way, replace the glock trigger with an Edge trigger if you shoot match.

[kmitch200]

Well, I do own a gen 3 model 35, and it did bulge the cases, to the point that they could not be resized without building up a ridge of brass at the case head.

Did your gen 3 do this?
This is what I'm talking about that seems to have been a nonfactor for years.
How many times did the 'ridge' reloads work?

[robert69]

Yes, that is exactly what the brass did.  I was unable to reuse the damaged brass.
So that was the reason for buying the KKM barrel.
I believe Redding has come up with a push through die to try to bring the brass back into
the proper case size, but I have been a handloader for over 50 years, and I will NOT use
damaged brass, or picked up off the range brass.  If I don't know the history of the brass,
and unless it was fired in my weapons, it stays on the ground.  What I do is mark the case heads
of my reloads with a colored marker.  Then when I pick it up, I know its mine.
For the .40, I am up over 10 reloads.  I use 6.5 grains of Herco, and 165 grain jacked bullets.
This load chronos at 1046 fps.  This is an old documented load created by Ken Waters when the .40 SW
first came out.  It works great, my Model 35 pistol functions great, and if I put a cardboard box at my feet, the fired brass lands in the box.  So just a little scattered brass.

[kmitch200]

Odd. I wonder if your 35 had one of the older barrels (obviously I don't know it's age) since they don't sell as many of those as the other 40cal varieties? My 23 was new in '00 and has never bulged a case.
My 27 is older than that.
I wouldn't use the guppied brass either. And I totally agree on range pickups, I won't touch 'em.

Re: the Edge trigger, how much travel does it have compared to the approx. 1/2" of the glock trigger?

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FWIW, target loads were never really the issue it was the higher power stuff.  A lot of people use to clean up after a leo those cases were only good for scrap.  Damn shame too as they were often nickle plated, mainly speer gold dot.   now i use to love cleaning the chp range as it was all 10 mm, then they stoped let us do that 

[robert69]

The first 3 letters on my model 35 serial # are HPE.
I bought it new about 6 years ago.  I will look up the year of mfg to be sure.
I have a 20# recoil spring in it, will a recoil buffer.
With the edge trigger, the pull length is 3/16", reset is 1/8".
Trigger pull weight is 3# 1.6 oz, measured with a Lyman trigger pull gauge.

[robert69]

OK My Glock Mod 35 was Mfg in 2005. HPE***

[alfsauve]

I believe Redding has come up with a push through die to try to bring the brass back into
the proper case size,

The Redding G-Rx is only available in .40 S&W.   9mm being a tapered case can't use a push through.  You could however make a die and a push rod that fully sized a 9mm, but then you'd have to have a push rod to push it back down out of the die.

http://www.redding-reloading.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3%3Ag-rx-push-thru-base-sizing-die

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a barrel is easier, cheaper in the long run and will save you a but load of time.