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Italian Cruise Ship Shoots Back at Pirates
« on: April 27, 2009, 09:02:29 AM »
Imagine that! An Israeli Security Force was granted permission BY THE CAPT. to open fire.

Guess What Happened? The punks went away....

Seems the political landscape regarding arms on vessels may be turning to a "rational" mindset? Called Self-Defense.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517955,00.html

Italian Cruise Ship Fires on Somali Pirates

Sunday, April 26, 2009

ROME — An Italian cruise ship with 1,500 people on board fended off a pirate attack far off the coast of Somalia when its Israeli private security forces exchanged fire with the bandits and drove them away, the commander said Sunday.

Cmdr. Ciro Pinto told Italian state radio that six men in a small white speed boat approached the Msc Melody and opened fire Saturday night, but retreated after the Israeli security officers aboard the cruise ship returned fire.

"It felt like we were in war," Pinto said.

None of the roughly 1,000 passengers and 500 crew members were hurt, Melody owner Msc Cruises said in a statement issued by its German branch.

Domenico Pellegrino, head of the Italian cruise line, said Msc Cruises hired the Israelis because they were the best trained security agents, the ANSA news agency reported.

Separately, the Turkish cruiser Ariva 3, with two British and four Japanese crew aboard, survived a pirate attack near the Yemeni island of Jabal Zuqar early Sunday, said Ali el-Awlaqi, head of the Yemeni El-Awlaqi Marine company said.

"Pirates opened fire at the cruise ship for 15 minutes then stopped for no reason," he said, adding that the cruiser was heading to Aden, Yemen, to fix a broken engine.

Civilian shipping and passenger ships have generally avoided arming crewmen or hiring armed security for reasons of safety, liability and compliance with the rules of the different countries where they dock.

Saturday's exchange of fire between pirates and the Melody was one of the first reported between pirates and a nonmilitary ship. International military forces have battled pirates, with U.S. Navy snipers killing three holding an American captain hostage in one of the highest-profile incidents.

It was not the first attack on a cruise liner, however. In December, pirates opened fire on a U.S.-operated ship carrying hundreds of tourists on a monthlong luxury cruise from Rome to Singapore, but the cruise liner was able to outrun the pirates. In early April a tourist yacht was hijacked by Somali pirates near the Seychelles just after having dropped off its cargo of tourists.

Saturday's attack occurred about 200 miles north of the Seychelles, and about 500 miles (800 kilometers) east of Somalia, according to the anti-piracy flotilla headquarters of the Maritime Security Center Horn of Africa.

Lt. Nathan Christensen, a spokesman for the U.S. Navy 5th Fleet, noted that the distance from the Somalia coast was a sign of the pirates' increasing skill.

"It's not unheard of to have attacks off the coast of the Seychelles, we've even had some in the past month," he said. "But at the same time, it is a sign that they are moving further and further off the Somali coast," demonstrating a "definite shift in their tactical capabilities."

Pinto said the pirates fired with automatic weapons, slightly damaging the liner, and tried to put a ladder on board. But he said they were unable to climb aboard.

The commander said his security forces opened fire with pistols, and the ANSA news agency said the pistols had been kept in a safe under the joint control of the commander and security chief.

Cruise line security work is a popular job for young Israelis who have recently been discharged from mandatory army service, as it is a good chance to save money and travel.

The Spanish warship SPS Marques de Ensenada was meeting up with the liner to escort her through the pirate-infested northern Gulf of Aden, the Maritime Security Center said.

The cruise ship was headed as scheduled to the Jordanian port of Aqaba. The Melody was on a 22-day cruise from Durban, South Africa, to Genoa, Italy, returning to the Mediterranean for spring and summer season cruises.

Meanwhile, Somali pirates on Sunday demanded a $5 million ransom for the release of two Egyptian fishing boats hijacked earlier this month, and the safe return of their crew, Egyptian Foreign Ministry official Ahmed Rizq said in Cairo.

"Tribal sheiks are trying to mediate to convince the hijackers to release the boats and the sailors, but it's clear to everybody that we are dealing with piracy that has no other purpose but money," he said, adding that the negotiations were between the hijackers and the boats' owners.

Pirates have attacked more than 100 ships off the Somali coast over the last year, reaping an estimated $1 million in ransom for each successful hijacking, according to analysts and country experts.

Another Italian-owned vessel remains in the hands of pirates. The Italian-flagged tugboat Buccaneer was seized off Somalia on April 11 with 16 crew members aboard.

On Saturday, the Foreign Ministry dispatched a special envoy, Margherita Boniver, to Somalia to try to win the release of the tug and crew. In a statement, the ministry also denied reports by relatives of the crew that an ultimatum had been issued by the pirates.

A few Desert Eagle .50 Handguns Would have been nice...

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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Shoots Back at Pirates
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2009, 02:42:08 PM »
before I hired on with TECO Ocean Shipping (of Tampa Fl.) they carried arms on their vessels. as I've said before, a SEALED safe or locker is good enough. some ports do not allow you to carry in their ports, but you can have guns in a safe sealed by customs.the only laws that count onboard are the ones belonging to the FLAG. The ship I sail on is U.S. flag, it is a little piece of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA. every port we go to outside the U.S. seals our bonded stores locker with a customs seal. reason? so we spend money in port so they can get their tax money, duties etc. seal is checked on departure. When we went the UAE we took twelve armed squids and when we arrived they locked their arms in a storage room which was then sealed. of course it can be done. once again, the biggest obstacle is the damn insurance companies.  :P
oh yeah, for TAB, is this enough to convince you that you don't even need to hit the bastards to turn them around? I'm sure that if it were that difficult to hit another vessel we wouldn't bother with a Navy.

I'll go back to drinking now,  ;D
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Shoots Back at Pirates
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2009, 03:34:02 PM »
Thanks deepwater, enjoy those beverages.

According to the article the security team just had handguns. AND IT WAS ENOUGH!. I was thinking AUG's or something bigger, but 3-5 handguns firing a barrage from above?

I like it...

Sounds like a great job, imagine the Love Boat with Gopher and a .45! Or maybe the bartender,... what was his name.... :P
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Shoots Back at Pirates
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2009, 05:51:21 PM »
Sa-weet!

Smok'em if ya got'em!
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Shoots Back at Pirates
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2009, 06:00:51 PM »
Sounds like a great job, imagine the Love Boat with Gopher and a .45! Or maybe the bartender,... what was his name.... :P

Isaac Washington....... :D

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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Shoots Back at Pirates
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Shoots Back at Pirates
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2009, 06:14:07 PM »
notice my picture, Browning Automatic Rifle .50 cal. this pic was taken this last Jan on the way back from the UAE. if we can do it there, why can't we do it elsewhere? we got kicked out of Fujairah for trumped up reasons ((environmentalist thought our closed system sea water cooling was a polutant) fresh water cooled by sea water, how is that a polutant?) but nothing to do with the guns. love the guns,  mmmmmmmm. guns, mongo like guns......
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Shoots Back at Pirates
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2009, 07:00:41 PM »
notice my picture, Browning Automatic Rifle machine gun .50 cal. this pic was taken this last Jan on the way back from the UAE. if we can do it there, why can't we do it elsewhere? we got kicked out of Fujairah for trumped up reasons ((environmentalist thought our closed system sea water cooling was a polutant) fresh water cooled by sea water, how is that a polutant?) but nothing to do with the guns. love the guns,  mmmmmmmm. guns, mongo like guns......

Fixed it for ya.
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Shoots Back at Pirates
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2009, 07:06:05 PM »
I guess I don't understand the .50 cal solution either.  A sparsely distributed battery of .50s would be more that what was needed to repel our 12 century rejects.  You tell anyone that violates your 1 mile perimeter that they risk being on the wrong end of a roughly 600 grain projectile.
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Shoots Back at Pirates
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2009, 07:14:35 PM »
JUMBO,
Browning calls her the 'Browning Automatic Rifle' though yes, it is a machine gun. I had no trouble understanding what they meant.
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Shoots Back at Pirates
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2009, 07:21:21 PM »
The BAR, Browning Automatic Rifle is something entirely different from the .50 BMG Browning Machine Gun.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1918_Browning_Automatic_Rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Browning_machine_gun
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