5.7 for Self Defense

[tombogan03884]

Until I saw this I had no idea anything out there fired .30 carbine but the old M1, & M2 rifles.  VERY COOL!
http://hunting.about.com/od/guns/l/aastruger30bh.htm

.30 carbine - 1972 fps from a 7.5" barrel, with a 85 grain bullet.

5.7 - 1950 fps from a 10" barrel, with a 40 grain bullet.

+1 on the M2.  And how bad do you want one after watching "Band of Brothers"!?!

There was also the AMT automag III
http://dailygunpictures.blogspot.com/2009/04/amt-automag-iii-fires-30-caliber.html
M-1 Carbine is a sweet little rifle, .30 Carbine round is underpowered POS

[Badgersmilk]

Good find on the Automag!  Looks like Hi-Standard is making them for MSRP $500.00
http://pistolbuyersguide.com/Articles.php?action=detail&g=content1245487561
Pretty cool, but kind of a monsterous looking thing.  I believe I'd lean toward the Blackhawk.

I agree on .30 carbine being underpowered for use as an assault weapon.  But it IS throwing at least twice as big a bullet as the 5.7 at the same velocity (slightly higher if we're being picky).

Looking at the roll of the .22 magnum through history (& yes I love this round enough that I bought my second bolt rifle of this caliber 2 weeks ago), I believe its main use was for stuff like hunting rabbits, squirrel, coon, ground hogs, even fox's & coyotes under 200 yards, sort of stuff I've always used mine for anyway.  Ballistically speaking the 5.7 is nearly indestiguishable from .22 magnum.  Where's the confusion on its applications?  

The "nich" for this caliber would be that it's new.  It's reloadable.  And for two - three times the cost you get slightly better reliability with it being center-fire (I cant remember ever having a .22 magnum fail to fire in the 25 years I've used them, but I've never had a semi-auto).

5.7's kinda like the new fat girl in the room.  They need love to.  

I've already got .22's, & a Pink Panther, so she's all yours!

[Hazcat]

Good find on the Automag!  Looks like Hi-Standard is making them for MSRP $500.00
http://pistolbuyersguide.com/Articles.php?action=detail&g=content1245487561
Pretty cool, but kind of a monsterous looking thing.  I believe I'd lean toward the Blackhawk.

I agree on .30 carbine being underpowered for use as an assault weapon.  But it IS throwing at least twice as big a bullet as the 5.7 at the same velocity (slightly higher if we're being picky).

Looking at the roll of the .22 magnum through history (& yes I love this round enough that I bought my second bolt rifle of this caliber 2 weeks ago), I believe its main use was for stuff like hunting rabbits, squirrel, coon, ground hogs, even fox's & coyotes under 200 yards, sort of stuff I've always used mine for anyway.  Ballistically speaking the 5.7 is nearly indestiguishable from .22 magnum.  Where's the confusion on its applications? 

The "nich" for this caliber would be that it's new.  It's reloadable.  And for two - three times the cost you get slightly better reliability with it being center-fire (I cant remember ever having a .22 magnum fail to fire in the 25 years I've used them, but I've never had a semi-auto).

5.7's kinda like the new fat girl in the room.  They need love to.   

I've already got .22's, & a Pink Panther, so she's all yours!

Hi-Standard has the AMT Automag III listed but no price so I don't know if they are actually in production.  Would really like one of these!

[Badgersmilk]

http://www.gunsamerica.com/953076254/Guns/Pistols/Auto-Mag-Pistols/AMT_Automag_III_30carbine.htm

Higher than their MSRP new...  But their out there.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaeZjKbly4A

These guys show an even lower MSRP.  http://www.genitron.com/HandgunDB/DB-Handgun-Detail.asp?ID=2341

Would be a fun one to own!

The blackhawk in stock for under 4 bills.  http://www.sportingarms.com/results.asp?mfr_name=0&category_descr=0&subcategory_descr=85&keyword_descr=&max_price=&quick_submit=FIND+FIREARMS

[Badgersmilk]

To expand on the .22 mag comparison.

http://www.excelarms.com/acceleratorpistol.html   Neat!
http://www.excelarms.com/acceleratorrifle.html     Also neat!
 
CCI
Varmint/Predator Hunting
Maxi-Mag +V - 30 grain GLHP; MV 2200 fps (rifle), MV 1610 fps (pistol).
Maxi-Mag TNT - 30 grain JHP; MV 2200 fps (rifle), MV 1610 fps (pistol).
Maxi-Mag - 40 grain JHP; MV 1875 fps (rifle), MV 1425 fps (pistol).
Plinking/Practice
Maxi-Mag - 40 grain TMJ; MV 1875 fps (rifle), MV 1425 fps (pistol).

The data I saw on the 5.7 was 40 grain from p90 1980 fps, from five seven 1650 fps

Slight differances due to barrel lengths between rifles used.  And the same applies to the pistols used.

I like the 5.7 caliber, & the P90,  Outside being the "latest, newest widget in the magazines", I'm just not seeing anything there though.  Will it go the way of its predicessors, 10mm, .35 whelen, 45GAP, .41 mag?  Time will tell.  I think you can still get ammo for all of them anyway.  None of them were necessarily "bad" either.

[Sponsor]

[1911 Junkie]

According to the CEO of Sig Sauer, the US Secret Service uses the Sig ...

http://www.americanexecutive.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6862

Spoke with a Secret Service guy this weekend. He said that a few guys use the 5.7 but they are trying to get rid of them.

[Rastus]

I like the 5.7 over the 22 mag for it's bullet versatility and because it has an edge on performance over the 22 mag.  I think it would be a really great cartridge for the semi-auto hunting rifle...but all I have is the PS-90 which isn't.  There is at least one aftermarket ammo maker pushing these things up to 2,600 FPS (UltraRapTOR  http://eliteammunition.com/catView.php#cat1 ) from the Five seveN pistol barrel and more from the PS-90.  At 2,600 FPS you are in the 17 HMR ceiling area with the accompanying outstanding ballistics...which is why I say a modified 10/22 type of firearm would be idea....speed with a bullet twice as heavy as the 17 would be great for some hunting applications.

And..oh yeah..jeez guy, the 10MM is having a resurgence now...but then that may just be because there was some ammo availability for 10.     We need a 10MM chant about this time...somebody come up with a jingle or something for the 10 MM...

[Kid Shelleen]

   We need a 10MM chant about this time...somebody come up with a jingle or something for the 10 MM...

Once again it's time for the 10
Everything old is new again.

[twyacht]

Once again it's time for the 10
Everything old is new again.

Wouldn't mind seeing some .41 Magnums, won't really happen, as semi-autos are the "rage". There was "something about it..
S&W still makes them.


Great article about the history, loads, ballistics, and maybe even a "do over" of the .41

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_4_51/ai_n11840297/

[Badgersmilk]

10mm IS a cool round!  Disapointing it hasnt become more popular.  If manufactures could get a defense contract or something to make it more trendy thats all it'd take.  GI Joe wannabee's would create demand, and it could have dozens of different rounds available in no time.