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tombogan03884

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Re: Battle rifles (223 need not apply)
« Reply #120 on: March 06, 2009, 07:48:13 PM »
G -3's are OK, but I don't like the fluted chamber, I don't KNOW that it shortens case life (I reload ) but I do know that Non fluted chambers DON"T shorten case life.
SKS isn't a battle rifle, it's a intermediate caliber carbine, I already posted about that earlier.
Mosin Nagant is OK, I prefer the K 98 , better lines better workmanship. But that m
Nagant magazine follower is a cool piece of work.  ;D

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Re: Battle rifles (223 need not apply)
« Reply #121 on: March 06, 2009, 08:43:22 PM »
OOO NO  :o

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Badger!  You're gonna be on my sh!t clip list!  >:(

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Re: Battle rifles (223 need not apply)
« Reply #122 on: March 07, 2009, 02:23:02 PM »
Never heard about the fluted chamber.  I hand load as well and hate running my stuff through most semi-auto's because the case damage.  An AK will DESTROY cases!  At least mine does every case its had in it.  Puts a big dent in the side on ejection and throws the brass about 20 feet!

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Re: Battle rifles (223 need not apply)
« Reply #123 on: March 07, 2009, 06:14:37 PM »
 The G-3 I know, and I assume (but don't know)the other CETME style roller locked guns require a Fluted chamber so the gases sort of "float" the case out of the chamber (Hope that is making sense) A guy I worked with at T/C A bought a parts kit , he was going to build his own PTR-91 for 1/3 the price, so he had some one in the barrel room make him a 24 inch .308 barrel, when he got it all together and tried it it was a bolt action. With a normal smooth chamber when the bolt starts to move to extract the case it is still pressed against the chamber wall and will not budge. Of course by the time you can manually work the bolt there is no pressure at all so it extracts and ejects fine. It takes special machinery to make a fluted chamber, in 2003 there was no company in America that had the machinery, H K will not sell barrels and the only place he could find that would, said he would have to pay $600 and wait till they did another run in a year or two.
But the Flutes leave bulges about 1/16th of an inch high fire formed into the case from extractor groove to neck so you have to fully resize them every time you reload them.

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Re: Battle rifles (223 need not apply)
« Reply #124 on: March 07, 2009, 07:10:46 PM »
From MOST of what I've heard people say about their HK's I'm not impressed.  It's about all been negative.  I wanna say I read that the G3 came about because HK was given a design aquired from FN due to political problems of some kind.  HK wasnt able to come up with a functional design of their own in the required time...  I dont remember how the whole thing went though.  Like I say, I havent heard much good about anything of theirs.

Guy I've know a while (maybe not super smart) bought a new HK .45 a few months ago when it was their latest and greatest gun only to find HK's idea of night sights is glow in the dark paint...  Nobody else makes sights for it yet because "its to new, and so expensive not many are selling".  I think he paid over a grand for the thing too! 

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Re: Battle rifles (223 need not apply)
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Re: Battle rifles (223 need not apply)
« Reply #125 on: March 07, 2009, 07:35:33 PM »
AK or RPK.  Drop me anywhere in the world and I'm within walking distance of ammo and mags. 

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Re: Battle rifles (223 need not apply)
« Reply #126 on: March 07, 2009, 08:10:18 PM »
Badger and Tom,  G3's are full auto, ergo not available, to most of us, but the HK 91 is a robust rifle, and possesses potential for better than average accuracy, it is hindered by non field adjustable sights, and a heavy trigger pull. The Cetme, in my experience is not fit very well, and generally does not work well, out of the box. I helped a friend of mine get his going and it took a lot of work. 1st failures to feed, and the original sight setting had it printing, 18" to the left, then it took 2 people to disassemble, I honed everything I could reach, to make it able to be dismantled by 1 person, and made a front sight adjuster out of an old screwdriver, and now it prints to point of aim, and the more it is shot, the better the reliability has become, but it is not in the reliable class yet, Another friend got one and it was even worse, and he sent it back to CIA, what he got back did work.
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Re: Battle rifles (223 need not apply)
« Reply #127 on: March 07, 2009, 11:36:42 PM »
 I had the CIA CETME, No instructions, workmanship was "OK", function was flawless accuracy stunk for me but a friend of mine did OK with it Sights were crap. I  paid $400 for it and put NOTHING into it but a cleaning, I would assume that for $4000 the HK would be accurate, Have GOOD sights and still function flawlessly, But that fluted chamber kills the deal and HK is a crappy company to deal with for civilians.

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Re: Battle rifles (223 need not apply)
« Reply #128 on: March 08, 2009, 11:19:52 PM »
Maybe its just me but if I have to choose any type of rifle to make my last stand i have 4 in mind. First would be my M1 scout,Ak47,98K,and M4. Ok my m4 is a 223 but its my last choice, so what if it came to throwing rocks or a knife the m4 really looks good. ;)
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Re: Battle rifles (223 need not apply)
« Reply #129 on: March 09, 2009, 10:21:02 AM »
Wise words, a lever action .22 will kill you just as dead as a 50 cal..

It just wont get as many hits on youtube

 

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