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Re: Battle rifles (223 need not apply)
« Reply #90 on: March 05, 2009, 05:32:44 PM »
I haven't jumped in here for a awhile, but I really like the comment that the choice of weapons is strictly situational...I'm sunk in research/planning for TBD: SURVIVAL, reading one endlessly depressing scenario book after the other (Want to spread some good cheer? Let me recommend 7 DEADLY SCENARIOS: A MILITARY FUTURIST EXPLORES WAR IN THE 21ST CENTURY by Andrew Krepinevich, who has far too many credentials on this stuff)...I have almost convinced myself that I need an island, a bailout and at least one nuclear weapon...

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Re: Battle rifles (223 need not apply)
« Reply #91 on: March 05, 2009, 05:50:00 PM »


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20 yards? Sure!
200 yards? Absolutely!
Reliable? You bet.
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Heavy? If you have muscle mass from anything beyond lifting a TV remote, you can't complain about 9 lbs.
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Re: Battle rifles (223 need not apply)
« Reply #92 on: March 05, 2009, 05:51:56 PM »
Very fine machine.....the M1A......yep......very fine machine.
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Re: Battle rifles (223 need not apply)
« Reply #93 on: March 05, 2009, 06:30:53 PM »
Personally I'd leave off the bipod and carry more mags, but that's just me, I can still get into the sitting position. ;D
MB, If you can come up with the lathe and milling machine, I can build you the nuke, their actually fairly simple.
Oh yeah, you'll have to supply the plutonium too. ;D
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Re: Battle rifles (223 need not apply)
« Reply #94 on: March 05, 2009, 07:00:59 PM »
The scout rifle looks pretty sweet.  Proves that with a few mods any of the rifles covered will do the job nicely!  I'm with tombogan though, drop the bipod.  Nice to see a new rifle that isnt covered with enough rails to attach everything including a cup holder and ash tray!

I guess a tactical nuke really would be the answer to "ultimate" wouldnt it?!  Lots of people in Japan would agree anyway.  Well, those that were left!

I'm more than a little suprised nobody's speaking up for the SKS yet! (sorry, I still dont like stipper clips).  Come on SKS fans!  Throw your hat in!!!
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Re: Battle rifles (223 need not apply)
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Re: Battle rifles (223 need not apply)
« Reply #95 on: March 05, 2009, 07:03:58 PM »
The SKS is too small of a caliber to be a battle rifle.
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Re: Battle rifles (223 need not apply)
« Reply #96 on: March 05, 2009, 07:09:26 PM »
 The "K" is for Karbine, it isn't a "Battle rifle" either. Nice Carbine though if you put a stock on it that fits an American build.
The stripper clips  may be a PITA, but you don't HAVE to use them like the Garand clip, and it means there are no mags to lose or forget.
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Re: Battle rifles (223 need not apply)
« Reply #97 on: March 05, 2009, 07:32:11 PM »
Quote from: Badgersmilk on March 05, 2009, 07:00:59 PM
The scout rifle looks pretty sweet.  Proves that with a few mods any of the rifles covered will do the job nicely!  I'm with tombogan though, drop the bipod.  Nice to see a new rifle that isnt covered with enough rails to attach everything including a cup holder and ash tray!
I guess a tactical nuke really would be the answer to "ultimate" wouldnt it?!  Lots of people in Japan would agree anyway.  Well, those that were left!

I'm more than a little suprised nobody's speaking up for the SKS yet! (sorry, I still dont like stipper clips).  Come on SKS fans!  Throw your hat in!!!



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Re: Battle rifles (223 need not apply)
« Reply #98 on: March 05, 2009, 09:28:40 PM »
Mr Bane, you need a DSA Congo Para, folding stock (and internal recoil spring) 18" barrel, get an Israeli charging handle (for the forward assist), an L1A1 mag release and safety and the stripper-clip style railed scope mount and put you an ACOG on it.

That, 10,000 rounds and 50 magazines and you will be good.
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Re: Battle rifles (223 need not apply)
« Reply #99 on: March 06, 2009, 07:28:33 AM »
Well, glad to see my thread came back to life!

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AR-15s and AR-10s will function just fine with the bolt rings lined up. It's only a myth that they won't.

Quite right, that is a big myth.  When the bolt is inserted into the bolt carrier, part of the resistance you feel is bolt carrier compressing the gas rings.  When the gas rings are compressed the gaps close off.  It doesn't matter where they line up.

Fully automatic weapons most certainly do have a place on the modern battlefield.  It doesn't take any real skill to put a bullet into someone from across the room with a rifle.  With the exception of one or two target areas, you are not going to see instant incapacitation from any rounds you fired.  This all boils down to doing damage.  You need to do as much damage to the threat in the shortest amount of time to cause him to either volutarily or involuntarily quit the fight.  This means multiple rounds in a very short time frame.  This is best accomplished with fully automatic fire. 

Badgersmilk has his life experiences on which he bases his decisions, as do you and I.  Being first through the door more times that I can count, nothing has given me comfort more than knowing I have one more selector position, should I need it.  That's my life experience.

I would also go easy on the attachments tirade.  Most attachments enhance the operators ability to work in different environments.  Sure, there is a lot of worthless crap out there, but there is some good stuff.  Having the wisdom to know the difference is the big issue.

Let's try to keep this thread on track.  If you want to discuss which rifle is best for a SHTF scenario, then please start another thread.  This is about battle rifles, which are generally considered to be 308, 30-06, 8mm, etc.

Gentlemen....carry on.

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