The CIA Just Went To War

[twyacht]

Who appointed Paneta?  This is all a plot to get the left back in line, for their lemming support going into this fall session and next years mid term elections. Paneta had no intelligence background for a reason,....

Remember COMMUNITY ORGANIZER..

It's all a game hoping the banter of tit for tat distracts from the real agenda, the talking heads distract from a bigger picture.

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for any assumption of power. The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
Daniel Webster

An Internal Investigation was already performed, and found NO FINDINGS, this is Eric Holders/BHO's little move within the inner circle to get them back in line and become like the UK/Scotland, and give Miranda and Consitutional Rights to Terrorists.

Eric Holder's Law Firm has already defended Gitmo detainees, at tax payer expense.. This back and forth is designed to take away from the real deal...

[tombogan03884]

I assume you know Panetta, who has absolutely no Intelligence experience,  was appointed by his socialist buddy Barack HUSSEIN Obama, which led even Diane Feinstein to question his appointment. Michelle Malkin refers to Panetta as "the perfect example of the Beltway swamp monster" Since the beginning of 2008 he has been paid 1.2 MILLION in, investment, speaking, and consulting fees by the likes of, Merrill Lynch, (bailed out) Wachovia, (Bailed out ) BP, Blue sheild of Ca. and Zenith National insurance.

[twyacht]

Since the beginning of 2008 he has been paid 1.2 MILLION in, investment, speaking, and consulting fees by the likes of, Merrill Lynch, (bailed out) Wachovia, (Bailed out ) BP, Blue sheild of Ca. and Zenith National insurance.

and Goldman-Sachs, is earning him more ROI, than any of us lowly citizens could ever hope to get.....

It's all inside baseball to get the far left back in line,....and a bunch of B.S.

As Limbaugh stated, WE (the U.S.A.) are the bad guys, the pistol waiving, power drill scare tactics, waterboarding, WORKED.

We may never know the whole story, but geez, THEY"RE TERRORISTS!!!!

[tombogan03884]

Since the beginning of 2008 he has been paid 1.2 MILLION in, investment, speaking, and consulting fees by the likes of, Merrill Lynch, (bailed out) Wachovia, (Bailed out ) BP, Blue sheild of Ca. and Zenith National insurance.

and Goldman-Sachs, is earning him more ROI, than any of us lowly citizens could ever hope to get.....

It's all inside baseball to get the far left back in line,....and a bunch of B.S.

As Limbaugh stated, WE (the U.S.A.) are the bad guys, the pistol waiving, power drill scare tactics, waterboarding, WORKED.

We may never know the whole story, but geez, THEY"RE TERRORISTS!!!!

I think like you, if it would save the life of ONE American, even an ungrateful, Obama voting socialist, I'd waterboard them, or put a drill bit through their knee, or a bullet through their head with out any qualms. And I'd sleep like a baby that night.

[fightingquaker13]

I think like you, if it would save the life of ONE American, even an ungrateful, Obama voting socialist, I'd waterboard them, or put a drill bit through their knee, or a bullet through their head with out any qualms. And I'd sleep like a baby that night.

If they were guilty, I'm right there with you. But before you go all Jack Bauer on someone's ass bear in mind that we grabbed folks up who we THOUGHT, but weren't sure were Al Queda, including a 12 year old. I trust the feds about as much as you do, which is to say not very far. Why is the CIA all of of a sudden better than the IRS or the BATF? Don't even pretend to get your dander up about the evils of "sociailsm"and then defend the CIA as though it wasn't just another federal bureacracy. As Doc Holiday said "even my hypocricy has limits". The problem is that we need to understand that the government means well but will get it wrong on occasion. I do mention I'm a Christian on this board, but usually only when its relevant as I hate mixing politics and religion. Here I'll bring it up, as I will not condone torture on someone I don't KNOW (not think but know) is guilty, and even then only under the direst of circustances. Under the Bush Justice Department that wasn't even close to the standard. Now some may say, so what, we're safe, as though they could pove a correlation. The reason I mentioned my faith is so I can ask, "At what cost"? I'm neither naive nor suicidal, but there are some things I simply will not do. Not for me, you or my grandmother. There are lines that civilized men do not cross, period.
FQ13

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[Ping]

Not sure about you folks but I saw on tv the second plane hitting the Twin Towers in NYC on 9/11. I remember a co-worker looking at me with a pale face and said the Pentagon had been hit while he was talking to his wife on his cell phone. I don't give a damn how much it takes to keep people who would annihilate citizens of our country and who should be tortured to give up the secrets of those who would bring harm to United States citizens. The CIA screwed up then. But why should they be held accountable now?
We have to use all our resources to preserve Our Country. Leave the discretion to the professionals to continue to keep Our Country safe.

[tombogan03884]

There were a grand total of 3, count them, T-H-R-E-E high ranking Al Queda captives who were subjected to "enhanced" interrogation and waterboarding, all 3 wound up giving up large amounts of useful intel. And despite the lies Pelosi got caught in Key Senators and Congressman were aware before hand that it was being done.
As for the 12 year old girl, I will point out that American kids that young and younger have been convicted of murder. I could most likely break her with out resorting to the electric drill but would she know know anything worth the effort ?
As for your scruples, the CIA is forbidden to operate in the US, and the majority of the people working their vote for liberals.
People like you can't get it through your pampered college insulated heads that in the world where people are working, not to make the car payment, or the or the electric bill, but merely to survive another day, your standards don't work.
You think you are superior because you would not slap Abdul's wife around to find out where he hides his bombing making gear. The fact is, when you leave he will figure she did anyway because you didn't kill her so he will cut her throat and cut out her tongue as a warning to others.
Mike Spann tried it YOUR way, ask HIM how well it worked. Oh, you can't, that's right to, the people you are sticking up for spent a couple days torturing him to death, not for information, he didn't have any they could use, they did it just because. John Walker Lindh, the so called "American Taliban" was there, in fact, he was the person Spann was interrogating when he was taken at the beginning of the prison uprising.

[fightingquaker13]

I get your point Tom, and as I said, I am favor of giving the benefit of the doubt to the guys in the field. Maybe I'm selfish but I tend to remember that how you treat a prisoner in your care says nothing about what kind of person they are, but everyhing about what kind of person YOU are. Ultimately, its a question of honor. As far as Spann, yeah, the enemy is filled with men without honor. If you can prove they are guilty, than do what you need to, but don't think it doesn't come without a price, not external, but internal.
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

I get your point Tom, and as I said, I am favor of giving the benefit of the doubt to the guys in the field. Maybe I'm selfish but I tend to remember that how you treat a prisoner in your care says nothing about what kind of person they are, but everyhing about what kind of person YOU are. Ultimately, its a question of honor. As far as Spann, yeah, the enemy is filled with men without honor. If you can prove they are guilty, than do what you need to, but don't think it doesn't come without a price, not external, but internal.
FQ13

FQ, It's not that they are without honor, this is the part that most don't understand. There are probably no men on earth who are more honorable than the Afghan hill tribesman. But the fact that they have been at war constantly since before Alexander the Great passed through, in a land that hates them and only provides food grudgingly has left them with priorities and a code of honor that is totally alien to our way of thinking. It basically boils down to family/clan, village and guests are protected with your life, everyone else is fair game. Truth be told there are probably no freer men on the planet, they have their religion, their weapons,their traditions, and their hills, (7000+ feet ) and they don't want or need any more.

[ccd]

FQ, It's not that they are without honor, this is the part that most don't understand. There are probably no men on earth who are more honorable than the Afghan hill tribesman. But the fact that they have been at war constantly since before Alexander the Great passed through, in a land that hates them and only provides food grudgingly has left them with priorities and a code of honor that is totally alien to our way of thinking. It basically boils down to family/clan, village and guests are protected with your life, everyone else is fair game. Truth be told there are probably no freer men on the planet, they have their religion, their weapons,their traditions, and their hills, (7000+ feet ) and they don't want or need any more.

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