The CIA Just Went To War

[tt11758]

My dear departed daddy used to say something that think fits in here nicely:

"Son, there's no conflict that can't be solved by talking.  You just need to make sure both of you are speaking the same language."


Sadly, when torture and barbarism are the only language your adversary understands, then that must be the language in which you communicate with him.

[tombogan03884]

My dear departed daddy used to say something that think fits in here nicely:

"Son, there's no conflict that can't be solved by talking.  You just need to make sure both of you are speaking the same language."


Sadly, when torture and barbarism are the only language your adversary understands, then that must be the language in which you communicate with him.

Mine says something similar,
"you can negotiate with any one, but sometimes you have to wallop them with a 2X4 to get their attention first"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdMJ82BsXMU

[tt11758]

Mine says something similar,
"you can negotiate with any one, but sometimes you have to wallop them with a 2X4 to get their attention first"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdMJ82BsXMU

VERY effective negotiation technique. 

[Johnny Bravo]

My dear departed daddy used to say something that think fits in here nicely:

"Son, there's no conflict that can't be solved by talking.  You just need to make sure both of you are speaking the same language."


Sadly, when torture and barbarism are the only language your adversary understands, then that must be the language in which you communicate with him.

AWESOME

[brosometal]

The NEW administration? What about the last one that defined (under Gonzo) torture as "being equivilent to the pain of organ removal", as opposed to the more useful standard of would we call it torture if it were done to Jessica Lynch? Sorry folks, but I ain't a pacifest, I ain't naieve and I don't live in the Disney channel. However the rules (not the  VERY rare exceptions that we just hypocritically ignore and do so with out apology ) is that we just DO NOT PRACTICE TORTURE. PERIOD. FULL STOP. Some things are just flat wrong. Jack Bauer can kiss my ass, because this nation is founded on a set of principles that you subscribe to or you don't. Your call.
FQ13

I think I can jump in and offer some perspective.  First, this whole "prosecute the torturers" deal is a political scheme.  BHO, Holder, et. al. could give a rats posterior about "torture".  It's a method to rally the leftist base to a losing cause on most other proposed fronts.  If there were no scalps to take back to the drooling leftist donkey-hats there would be no story.  They feel if they could get a Cheney or a Rove they can swing obamacare or cap and tax.  The administration has hung it's battle of the bulge on some flimsy ground, and it would seem that the CIA and Cheney are perfectly willing to respond in kind.

 Second, torture needs to be defined.  FQ it seems you have accepted, whole cloth, the torture red herring.  I would challenge anyone opposed to this supposed "torture".  I have heard a lot of hyperbole, but very few solid facts on torture.  Second hand smoke?  I have been busy as of late and have not had the opportunity to wade through to get to the actual facts in question, but it would seem those incensed about "torture" are being led with allusions and not much more.

I may be totally off base, but when you accept a faulty premise, it is hard to come to any conclusion but the one who proposed the issue would have you come to.  Waterboarding: not torture.  Second hand smoke: not torture, threating someone with a drill: not torture. Threating to kill someone's family: not torture. Faking someone's death: not torture.  Actually if these enhanced interrogation techniques were on television, it would be Punk'd or some reality TV show. 

I believe it is high time that the administration gets its own reality check.

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[tt11758]

I think I can jump in and offer some perspective.  First, this whole "prosecute the torturers" deal is a political scheme.  BHO, Holder, et. al. could give a rats posterior about "torture".  It's a method to rally the leftist base to a losing cause on most other proposed fronts.  If there were no scalps to take back to the drooling leftist donkey-hats there would be no story.  They feel if they could get a Cheney or a Rove they can swing obamacare or cap and tax.  The administration has hung it's battle of the bulge on some flimsy ground, and it would seem that the CIA and Cheney are perfectly willing to respond in kind.

 Second, torture needs to be defined.  FQ it seems you have accepted, whole cloth, the torture red herring.  I would challenge anyone opposed to this supposed "torture".  I have heard a lot of hyperbole, but very few solid facts on torture.  Second hand smoke?  I have been busy as of late and have not had the opportunity to wade through to get to the actual facts in question, but it would seem those incensed about "torture" are being led with allusions and not much more.

I may be totally off base, but when you accept a faulty premise, it is hard to come to any conclusion but the one who proposed the issue would have you come to.  Waterboarding: not torture.  Second hand smoke: not torture, threating someone with a drill: not torture. Threating to kill someone's family: not torture. Faking someone's death: not torture.  Actually if these enhanced interrogation techniques were on television, it would be Punk'd or some reality TV show. 

I believe it is high time that the administration gets its own reality check.

You can't see it, but I'm giving you a standing ovation right now.

[shooter32]

You can't see it, but I'm giving you a standing ovation right now.

+1

[Kid Shelleen]

I think I can jump in and offer some perspective.  First, this whole "prosecute the torturers" deal is a political scheme.  BHO, Holder, et. al. could give a rats posterior about "torture".  It's a method to rally the leftist base to a losing cause on most other proposed fronts.  If there were no scalps to take back to the drooling leftist donkey-hats there would be no story.  They feel if they could get a Cheney or a Rove they can swing obamacare or cap and tax.  The administration has hung it's battle of the bulge on some flimsy ground, and it would seem that the CIA and Cheney are perfectly willing to respond in kind.

 Second, torture needs to be defined.  FQ it seems you have accepted, whole cloth, the torture red herring.  I would challenge anyone opposed to this supposed "torture".  I have heard a lot of hyperbole, but very few solid facts on torture.  Second hand smoke?  I have been busy as of late and have not had the opportunity to wade through to get to the actual facts in question, but it would seem those incensed about "torture" are being led with allusions and not much more.

I may be totally off base, but when you accept a faulty premise, it is hard to come to any conclusion but the one who proposed the issue would have you come to.  Waterboarding: not torture.  Second hand smoke: not torture, threating someone with a drill: not torture. Threating to kill someone's family: not torture. Faking someone's death: not torture.  Actually if these enhanced interrogation techniques were on television, it would be Punk'd or some reality TV show. 

I believe it is high time that the administration gets its own reality check.

Superb. Well said, Sir.