School kids taught to praise Obama

[ericire12]

Did anyone not find this part of the lyrics offensive:

Barack Hussein Obama
He said Red, Yellow, Black or White
All are equal in his sight
Mmm, mmm, mm!

[fightingquaker13]

So let me get this straight..."The recording and distribution of the class activity were unauthorized."

That’s all you have to say?  The ONLY problem you, Mr. or Ms. Burlington Township Official, have with this is the distribution was unauthorized?  You really don't have any problem if someone came in and did the same thing for Ronald Reagan?   OF COURSE YOU WOULD!  

IF IT WOULD BE WRONG OR OFFENSIVE FOR A REAGAN SONG THEN IT IS WRONG FOR OBAMA MAXIMUS, TOO!!!!!!

Actually watchman it is a MUCH bigger deal. I don't like the song either, nor the creepy agenda behind it. BUT and BUT putting kids on the internet without permission is huge. I tell stories about my students, but you will never me see use a name, not even in PMs as Tom can attest. There is reason for that. Student teacher confidentiality isn't protected by law but it is expected. In some states that video (minus waivers signed by the parents) would be a crime. Whatever idiot allowed that tape to hit the net should be crucified. The world is full of perverts and when children are entrusted  to our care we need to ensure that they are not out there for anyone who is not invited, to see. Even at the university level, were I to to gosip about a student's grades and identify them by name, I would be breaking federal law, exposing my school to a lawsuit and get my ass fired faster than you can say legal liability. I accidentally posted my grades to a hunting site (long story) and I knew that if they hit the net I would be fired, sued and potentially prosecuted (highley unlikey, but still a real possibility). I had a friend "creatively" find the admin and called him early in the am and persuaded him to kill the post. Luckily for me he was a fellow academic and rather than being pissed at being woken up at 3am understood how bad I F'd up and saved my bacon.Morality and professional ethics are two different things, but here they coincide. You never violate student's (or their parent's if they are underage) privacy without written permission or a court order. If you do, you lose your job and even your best friend won't feel sorry for you.
FQ13

[Pathfinder]

Actually watchman it is a MUCH bigger deal. I don't like the song either, nor the creepy agenda behind it. BUT and BUT putting kids on the internet without permission is huge. I tell stories about my students, but you will never me see use a name, not even in PMs as Tom can attest. There is reason for that. Student teacher confidentiality isn't protected by law but it is expected. In some states that video (minus waivers signed by the parents) would be a crime. Whatever idiot allowed that tape to hit the net should be crucified. The world is full of perverts and when children are entrusted  to our care we need to ensure that they are not out there for anyone who is not invited, to see. Even at the university level, were I to to gosip about a student's grades and identify them by name, I would be breaking federal law, exposing my school to a lawsuit and get my ass fired faster than you can say legal liability. I accidentally posted my grades to a hunting site (long story) and I knew that if they hit the net I would be fired, sued and potentially prosecuted (highley unlikey, but still a real possibility). I had a friend "creatively" find the admin and called him early in the am and persuaded him to kill the post. Luckily for me he was a fellow academic and rather than being pissed at being woken up at 3am understood how bad I F'd up and saved my bacon.Morality and professional ethics are two different things, but here they coincide. You never violate student's (or their parent's if they are underage) privacy without written permission or a court order. If you do, you lose your job and even your best friend won't feel sorry for you.
FQ13

So the issue is privacy, and not the conversion of the President of the United States into the reincarnation of Jesus?

Some Christian you are - hypocrite!

I will remind you one more time, this is all about creating a false idol, using a Sunday School song about Jesus only substituting bho's name, and the word/law of man pales compared to the word of God.

[fightingquaker13]

So the issue is privacy, and not the conversion of the President of the United States into the reincarnation of Jesus?

Some Christian you are - hypocrite!

I will remind you one more time, this is all about creating a false idol, using a Sunday School song about Jesus only substituting bho's name, and the word/law of man pales compared to the word of God.

Uh, Path, take a deep breath and actually read what I wrote.
1) We agree that what went on was wrong
2) We agree that forcing kids to participate is wrong
3) I have no idea how religion got into this, but for the record, my Rosary has Hail Marys and our Fathers and there is no Obama bead

Given that is the case something you SHOULD understand is that the rules of the game matter. When you violate those, you put yourself beyond the bounds of law, civil discourse and the very covenant that holds a republic toghether. Its why I (and the Founders) hold treason and coruption in office to be the highest offences. Without those in power being held to account, the republic falls.  We live in a free republic so long as we both make and obey the law, within the limits of the Constitution. So yeah, I get more upset that that video broke the law and every code of professional conduct. Why? because those can be applied neutrally without asking a jury "which political flavor do you prefer". You either get that, or are unfit to be a citizen of a democratic republic. Sorry if that's harsh, but it is the truth. The rules of the game matter. Otherwise screw elections, grab your AR (or AK to give Badger his due ) and welcome to Somalia. Its just that simple.
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

The part that Path is getting pissed about is that they have used a Christian Sunday school song (Even I learned that one )
Barack Hussein Obama
He said Red, Yellow, Black or White
All are equal in his sight
To indoctrinate children to think of BO on a higher plain than a mere scumbag politician. Just as was done with Hitler, Lenin, Mao, and Ho Chi Mihn, (But not with either Bush or Reagan. FQ needs to keep his facts straight, don't let that college sh!t kick in.    )
This IS NOT "reinforcing the American dream, even a "poor" Black child can become President, this is purely indoctrination into the "Cult of the Obamanation" The object is NOT to inspire good citizenship, but in fact to get the youth (as "Isrealite's" ) to dance around and worship the "black calf" of socialist statism.

FQ, has a valid point that as badly as Christian belief has been undermined in America over the last 40 years, coupled with the intentional undermining of "American values" this is not an effective method of attacking this propaganda.
To attack this as the "Deification of an undeserving mortal",which it is, would only draw support from SOME people of faith, the rest would either not care or would portray it as further evidence of the racist paranoia of "Those Right wing religious nuts".
Attacking it on the basis of Privacy, exploitation of children, and undue political influence in the class room on the other hand is something that will draw the serious attention of even people who SUPPORT the egoist in chief.

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[WatchManUSA]

Actually watchman it is a MUCH bigger deal. I don't like the song either, nor the creepy agenda behind it. BUT and BUT putting kids on the internet without permission is huge. I tell stories about my students, but you will never me see use a name, not even in PMs as Tom can attest. There is reason for that. Student teacher confidentiality isn't protected by law but it is expected. In some states that video (minus waivers signed by the parents) would be a crime. Whatever idiot allowed that tape to hit the net should be crucified. The world is full of perverts and when children are entrusted  to our care we need to ensure that they are not out there for anyone who is not invited, to see. Even at the university level, were I to to gosip about a student's grades and identify them by name, I would be breaking federal law, exposing my school to a lawsuit and get my ass fired faster than you can say legal liability. I accidentally posted my grades to a hunting site (long story) and I knew that if they hit the net I would be fired, sued and potentially prosecuted (highley unlikey, but still a real possibility). I had a friend "creatively" find the admin and called him early in the am and persuaded him to kill the post. Luckily for me he was a fellow academic and rather than being pissed at being woken up at 3am understood how bad I F'd up and saved my bacon.Morality and professional ethics are two different things, but here they coincide. You never violate student's (or their parent's if they are underage) privacy without written permission or a court order. If you do, you lose your job and even your best friend won't feel sorry for you.
FQ13

FQ, to clarify the record, I did not say “putting kids on the internet without permission” was not a problem.  Nor did I down play it as an issue.  I said, "The ONLY problem you, Mr. or Ms. Burlington Township Official, have with this is the distribution was unauthorized?"

I concede that many times my points are not written in such a way as to be clearly understood.  Sometimes my typing can’t keep up with my train of thought.  However, this is one time that I believe I was very clear in my statements.  I didn’t say nor imply what you preached about.

[fightingquaker13]

FQ, to clarify the record, I did not say “putting kids on the internet without permission” was not a problem.  Nor did I down play it as an issue.  I said, "The ONLY problem you, Mr. or Ms. Burlington Township Official, have with this is the distribution was unauthorized?"

I concede that many times my points are not written in such a way as to be clearly understood.  Sometimes my typing can’t keep up with my train of thought.  However, this is one time that I believe I was very clear in my statements.  I didn’t say nor imply what you preached about.

No worries. If we didn't missunderstand each other from time time we'd have less to argue about and things would get boring. As it stands, I think that you and Path made good points abot the content of the video (which I agree with ) and this little dustup over a misunderstanding let me make a point about why I am so PO'd about it as a matter of process, law and professional standards. We all learned something and its all good.
FQ13

[alfsauve]

Here's the other little "problem" with this indoctrination.

Assume for a minute Obama get elected to a second term.   At the end of that term he, by the constitution, can not serve another term.  UNLESS the constitution is amended. 

Who will be eligible to vote 7 years from now?   Today's 11 year olds!  Today's 5th graders!

"They" are grooming the future voters.

[tt11758]

The recording and distribution of the class activity were unauthorized.

Does anybody else find it troubling that the school is only upset because word got out about what they were doing?

[graywolf]

To some, it seems pretty innocent.  However, as a student of history, it reminded me of the newsreels of the late 30's of Nazi Germany or the Red Brigades of Communist China (extolling Chairman Mao) and more recently the the school children of Iraq entertaining Saddam Hussien. Any form of school prayer has been banned in our schools.  I wonder how many start the day by saying the Pledge of Allegiance with "God" in it if at all?  Now these children are being taught to extoll the virtues of an American President?  Parents must stand up and confront their school boards and teachers who are entrusted with the well being and education of their children.  These type of things are not part of the approved curriculum!  Accountability - Accountability -Accountability.  If you don't understand what that is, look it UP!