New rifle

[TexasAggie01]

For all-around use: .308. Easy to find, a bit shorter than the .30-06, and quite powerful.

For big game: either .300 Win Mag or .300 Win Short Mag. My brother has the short mag and loves it, to the point of arguing with everyone over it. Frankly, it's seems a good choice for a mag, and he's not had trouble finding the ammunition. Only problem was the price of the ammunition...

[Hazcat]

GT,

I just not a big fan of the eargeshsplittin loudenboomers to shoot North American game at 350 yards.  Losts of noise, lots of recoil and expensive, harder to find ammo when the "old standbys" will do the job just fine.  Heck, in most cases I think 30-06 is a bit large for white tail so the WSMs and WSSMs are way over kill in my book.

Also what's the big deal with using a standard length action (30-06, .270)?  .308 is a good round but I don't see the mistique in a short action over a standard action.  The .308 does shoot a little flatter and with a very slightly reduced recoill compared to the 30-06 and I would support his choice of either.  .270 is also a great round but they don't stock much of the ammo in my Wally World so I tend to shy away from it.

I guess I'm just a "retro" kinda guy.

[TexasAggie01]

GT,

I just not a big fan of the eargeshsplittin loudenboomers to shoot North American game at 350 yards.  Losts of noise, lots of recoil and expensive, harder to find ammo when the "old standbys" will do the job just fine.  Heck, in most cases I think 30-06 is a bit large for white tail so the WSMs and WSSMs are way over kill in my book.

For white tail and most North American game, I'd agree. For bear or moose, I gotta disagree. A magnum means that the larger animals will be taken cleanly, and frankyl, .30-06 is the floor for bears above black bear. I probably not use the .308 there even though it's my preference. As to elk, a .30-06 should work fine, but I'd still go with a Mag. I don't own one and probably won't ever, as if I ever get to safari I want a double in .375 H&H or .458 Win Mag. If I and a lion want the same elephant, I want to make sure he goes down before I do.

Also what's the big deal with using a standard length action (30-06, .270)?  .308 is a good round but I don't see the mistique in a short action over a standard action.  The .308 does shoot a little flatter and with a very slightly reduced recoill compared to the 30-06 and I would support his choice of either.  .270 is also a great round but they don't stock much of the ammo in my Wally World so I tend to shy away from it.
I guess I'm just a "retro" kinda guy.

I oughta stick you with my brother in a room and watch y'all fight it out over short action v. standard. Like I said, I prefer the .308. I persoanlly don't care much about action length, but the guides I 've heard of like short actions.

I like .308 because you can find and use milsurp and commercial. There's not much milsurp .30-06 anymore. I like the .270 as well, but for what LaMott stated his game was going to be, a Mag covers it all cleanly.

[Hazcat]

For white tail and most North American game, I'd agree. For bear or moose, I gotta disagree. A magnum means that the larger animals will be taken cleanly, and frankyl, .30-06 is the floor for bears above black bear. I probably not use the .308 there even though it's my preference. As to elk, a .30-06 should work fine, but I'd still go with a Mag. I don't own one and probably won't ever, as if I ever get to safari I want a double in .375 H&H or .458 Win Mag. If I and a lion want the same elephant, I want to make sure he goes down before I do.

I oughta stick you with my brother in a room and watch y'all fight it out over short action v. standard. Like I said, I prefer the .308. I persoanlly don't care much about action length, but the guides I 've heard of like short actions.

I like .308 because you can find and use milsurp and commercial. There's not much milsurp .30-06 anymore. I like the .270 as well, but for what LaMott stated his game was going to be, a Mag covers it all cleanly.

Gee, I wonder how we managed to take all of those animals before magnums? 

As far a double rifle....I WANT ONE!  Actually I think it would be cool to hunt with a double in .308, .270, 30-06, 45-70.....

[TexasAggie01]

Gee, I wonder how we managed to take all of those animals before magnums?

Didn't say couldn't, said should.  By that logic, why use smokeless powder, or even a firearm at all? Longbows worked great for centuries...

As far a double rifle....I WANT ONE!  Actually I think it would be cool to hunt with a double in .308, .270, 30-06, 45-70.....

Quite.

[Sponsor]

[Hazcat]

Didn't say couldn't, said should.  By that logic, why use smokeless powder, or even a firearm at all? Longbows worked great for centuries...

Quite.

Yep, My son uses a recurve. 

BTW, just raggin on ya, don't mean no harm.   Just my thought that a lot of calibers that come out are soley to drive the industry by filling a need that does not exist.

[TexasAggie01]

Same here.  Witness the .327 magnum. (I'll probably catch it for that)

[Hazcat]

Same here.  Witness the .327 magnum. (I'll probably catch it for that)

That is a   HUH?? round.

[Michael Bane]

GT'er...LOL!

I suppose that sooner or later I'll have to address the little sucker, althought, in the interest of total disclosure, I thought the .32 H&R was an okay little cartridge and slightly better than a .380. The specs on the Federal round has it moving out pretty quickly, and, hey, 6 rounds are better than 5. I could rationalize it pretty easily in that my Sweetie shoots .32 H&R in cowboy action shooting, so there's always a bunch of .32s around...I wwould have preferred Ruger introduce an alloy-framed SP-101, but, sigh...no dice.

And lest I be accused of horrific thread drift, a new executive at the Outdoor Channel asked for my recommendations on an elk rifle. I suggested (and he got) a Ruger in .300 Win Mag. Lots of alternatives in loaded ammo; more punch in the long haul than a .308; very reasonable price.

Michael B

[TexasAggie01]

GT'er...LOL!

I suppose that sooner or later I'll have to address the little sucker, although, in the interest of total disclosure, I thought the .32 H&R was an okay little cartridge and slightly better than a .380. The specs on the Federal round has it moving out pretty quickly, and, hey, 6 rounds are better than 5. I could rationalize it pretty easily in that my Sweetie shoots .32 H&R in cowboy action shooting, so there's always a bunch of .32s around...I would have preferred Ruger introduce an alloy-framed SP-101, but, sigh...no dice.

Figured someone would say something along those lines. All I can say is what I've say about the .45 GAP v. .45 ACP: given that it's able to achieve the same result (arguable, I know), it could replace it or be used as a substitute.

Instead of the J fame with 6 shots of .327, I'd go for a K frame or bigger .357 with  3in barrel, but that's me. Hmm... could get the wife a k frame 3in in the .327, which would hold 7 or eight shots? She'd like the lower recoil, but would probably be...unhappy at the least to be buying more guns. She's a big fan of the "one gun, lots of furniture approach."

And lest I be accused of horrific thread drift, a new executive at the Outdoor Channel asked for my recommendations on an elk rifle. I suggested (and he got) a Ruger in .300 Win Mag. Lots of alternatives in loaded ammo; more punch in the long haul than a .308; very reasonable price.
Michael B

YES!!