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Re: Student expelled for having unloaded shotguns in truck (OFF CAMPUS!)
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2009, 03:12:09 PM »
This is the reason I now home school my kids. Idiot liberals that are trying to condition my kids to be spineless jelly fish that are like the french.
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Re: Student expelled for having unloaded shotguns in truck (OFF CAMPUS!)
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2009, 03:18:08 PM »
Been taking lessons from TomB.....putting my comments after sections of article text........   ;)

y RYAN OLSON - Staff Writer
Posted: 11/20/2009 12:09:32 AM PST

WILLOWS -- The Willows Unified School District board of trustees has expelled a 16-year-old for having unloaded shotguns in his pickup parked just off the Willows High School campus.

The board voted 4-0 Thursday to expel junior Gary Tudesko after the weapons were discovered via scent-sniffing dogs on Oct. 26. Board Vice President Alex Parisio abstained from the discussion and vote because he is related to Tudesko's family.

Expulsion hearings are normally held in closed sessions, but affected students and their parents can request a public hearing.

Susan Parisio defended her son during the 105-minute public hearing at Willows Civic Center. She acknowledged that Tudesko was lazy for not storing the shotguns at home after a morning of bird hunting, but she questioned the district's ability to enforce its policies off Willows High School property.

"My son was not even parked on school property," Parisio said.

What's next? Patrolling wal-mart parking lots with the dogs just looking for guns in cars?

Willows High Principal Mort Geivett and other district officials did not appear to dispute that the parking space was off school property, but they cited several justifications. One of them was the legal doctrine of in loco parentis — where school officials may act in place of a parent for school functions.

OK....so now the school system know what my kid needs better than I do and at any time can act in my place??

Geivett said the school was responsible for students traveling to and from school as well as during lunch. He said he believed that students should not possess weapons within 1,000 feet of campus.

So I guess if a kid falls on the sidewalk and breaks his arm on the way to school, the school system is responsible for the medical bills? You can't pick and choose responsibilities. If the kid had got into an accident would the school system be responsible then?

AKA, liberal BS for no one really needs to own guns at all and this is my way of handling it.

Geivett said he believed off-campus parking around the school was under the school's jurisdiction, in part because it is primarily used by students.

Does that also apply to wal-mart? Home? Neighbor's driveway? It's is off school property. OFF SCHOOL PROPERTY MEANS OFF SCHOOL PROPERTY.

"I'm erring on the safe side of protecting staff and kids," he said.

Erring on the side of being a liberal BS spouting control freak in search of power.

The incident began on Oct. 26 when scent-sniffing dogs detected something in a pickup on the street north of the tennis courts on West Willow Street. A Willows police officer did a search of the license plate and traced the pickup to Tudesko.

More like some nosy SOB was walking around smoking a cigarette off campus and was just peeking into cars to see what he could see and then saw a vicious gun and called the cops with the dogs.....to boost his 15 minutes.

Tudesko came out to the vehicle and said there were two shotguns and shells in the pickup. He opened his vehicle for a search, which revealed the guns on the rear seat as well as a knife with a 3-inch blade. The police held the weapons and the school suspended Tudesko for five days, which was later extended indefinitely until Thursday's hearing.

Geivett said the Education Code requires the school pursue expulsion, when a student is in possession of a firearm, knife or explosive without written permission from the school. He said he was concerned for the safety of students and staff.

Sounds more concerned about a future spot on the BOE.

"Gary should've known better than to come to campus with guns in his truck," Geivett said.

WHAT PART OF NOT ON SCHOOL PROPERTY DOES HE NOT UNDERSTAND?

In addition to the Education Code, the Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995 bars possession of firearms within 1,000 feet of a school, but there are exceptions for private property and for lawful transportation of non-concealable weapons.

Being on private property should have negated the original need/desire for the unwarranted search in the first place. The rest speaks for itself. I understand the 16 year old is not of age to purchase the guns (and this is where many arguments will arise on this one), but during hunting season (in most normal places) the laws allow for underage persons to possess (with parental permission) and transport hunting arms.

Parisio said her son was raised in a family that has always owned guns.

"We have always, always stressed that safety is important," she said.

Parisio revisited the searches that uncovered the guns. She noted the canine search found two additional vehicles that resulted in the discovery of live ammunition.

Parisio compared the ammo to explosives — which is also covered by the mandatory expulsion law — and asked why there weren't expulsion hearings for those students.

In addition, one of the shotguns in Tudesko's pickup belonged to a friend who rode to school with Tudesko. Parisio asked why the school didn't punish this student as well.

"Selective enforcement in of itself is wrong," Parisio said.


The system picking and choosing to make a point and further an agenda. Plain and simple.

Before the end of the session, Tudesko spoke briefly. He apologized for his actions and said he wanted to be on time for school. Tudesko said he believed it was all right to park on a public street with the unloaded weapons.

No need to apologize, son, you broke no laws.


After the hearing, several school board members declined to comment on their decision.

No need to open our mouths and prove our foolishness beyond what our actions have already shown.

Parisio said she will appeal the district's decision to the Glenn County Board of Education. If the decision is upheld and her son is sent to a continuation school, Parisio said she would likely home-school Tudesko.

Where is the ACLU on this one?? This is the type of stuff I wish the NRA would get involved in.

http://www.chicoer.com/news/ci_13831318

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Re: Student expelled for having unloaded shotguns in truck (OFF CAMPUS!)
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2009, 03:20:17 PM »
um why was a dog there?  thats the real Q.

it sounds really odd that a dog would find the guns... more so on private property.
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Re: Student expelled for having unloaded shotguns in truck (OFF CAMPUS!)
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2009, 03:32:21 PM »
Your right I do not think they have gun sniffing dogs and why are they searching a vehicle off of the school property.
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Re: Student expelled for having unloaded shotguns in truck (OFF CAMPUS!)
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2009, 03:55:25 PM »
um why was a dog there?  thats the real Q.

it sounds really odd that a dog would find the guns... more so on private property.

Unless he was snitched on by another student? Perhaps?

But still,......
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Re: Student expelled for having unloaded shotguns in truck (OFF CAMPUS!)
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2009, 04:13:10 PM »
snitches get stitches
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Re: Student expelled for having unloaded shotguns in truck (OFF CAMPUS!)
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2009, 04:55:49 PM »
Yer right, Tom.  It could happen pretty much in any state that was as screwed up as Commiefornia.  Fact is though, this would NOT fly in a lot of other states (Florida for one).  It was OFF CAMPUS!

I have HAD IT with companies that live or die by the 2A supporting those that wish to denie us our rights.  I will not support those companies any more and I will tell them why.

Yes, I know that that is pretty much all companies but I intend to start with those that hold competitions or sponsor competitions in CA.




Rant still on.

That rant is still on.

Start with the companies that actually support the anti-gun politicians campaigns. I think we need to circulate a PDF listing all of these companies. We'll need to bust those supporters if we're going to change anything in these states that have similar BS (CA, NY, IL, WI, etc.). California is still the largest market for guns (and everything else) and we can beat them, if they have their financing cut.

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Re: Student expelled for having unloaded shotguns in truck (OFF CAMPUS!)
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2009, 06:06:04 PM »
It's not like it's LA or SF, it's Willows!

No, it's California.
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Re: Student expelled for having unloaded shotguns in truck (OFF CAMPUS!)
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2009, 06:24:02 PM »
Unless he was snitched on by another student? Perhaps?

But still,......


that would be really hard to back up in court. 


willows is not like the CA you guys know.( infact most of nor cal is not the CA you know)
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Re: Student expelled for having unloaded shotguns in truck (OFF CAMPUS!)
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2009, 06:48:08 PM »
that would be really hard to back up in court.  


willows is not like the CA you guys know.( infact most of nor cal is not the CA you know)

You beat me to it TAB. I was going to make the same statement as to the fact that this part of CA is not the same as southern and bay area.

We hunt, fish, still have cattle drives through town, issued concealed carry.

 

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