President Obama said he was saddened by the "horrific and tragic shooting," pledging that his administration was "committed to bringing whoever was responsible to justice, ensuring the safety of our people, and caring for those who have been wounded."
My daughters go to movies ... What if Lily and Sasha had been ...
Sounds a lot like "If I had a son ..." Worded another way - I'm one of you. His spin doctors know how to pull the puppet strings!
Let me add what a wonderful event this was for the President: A day off from the grueling campaign trail. He can stand up, offer to take over for the local authorities, put his feet up and relax. He even managed to take a jab at Romney in his sympathy speech.
Much like the FL mob, this brings up a good opportunity to discuss stretegy in a scenario like this.
You're in a dark, packed theater when shots are fired. There's screaming and chaos with people everywhere. What do you do?
This is sad and makes me feel better about carrying the last few times I went to the movies.
Floor!!!
Next step is to activate the plan you developed when you entered the facility: Exit or cover options. Now isn't the time to worry about them. You thought about it, and now you do what options are left based on where the shooter is. According to current accounts he was in the screen area, so the doors you entered through may be the best route.
By the way, if you are able to flee through an exit the firearm should be holstered but accessible and light in hand. If you are trapped inside firearm and light in hand and ready if needed.
Hit the floor and stay there, under the seats if possible, the exits will be jammed and provide choke points for a shooter to concentrate on. If he approaches you and targets you, then attack him, throw your soda in his face, hit, kick, bite, talk about his mother, what ever it takes to protect you and yours.
A mass shooter has a different agenda, he is looking to wrack up numbers, his attention will be focused on "target rich" areas, such as exits, and movement that draws the eye will likely draw fire that could have otherwise been avoided.
Much like the FL mob, this brings up a good opportunity to discuss stretegy in a scenario like this.
Good point. How do you avoid getting trampled?
Just to clarify in case their was any question, I realize they are two completely different scenarios. However, both provide us with a chance to plan and discuss responses to them.
Right now, it seems the theme is to get on the ground and stay out of sight as much as possible and be ready with flashlight and possibly gun. I'm in agreement with this but pose another question.
If you're lying on the ground in a dark, packed theater with people in chaos, how do you avoid being trampled?
Good point. How do you avoid getting trampled?
If you drop to the floor at your seat there are minimal people to contend with. The only way to avoid getting trampled in a herd is to go with the flow, so you just do the best you can when you choose to not be a sheep.
I shouted bullshit at the TV when he said. They would a SS detail with them.
Duh?!
And do whatever you have to to stay on your feet, because if you go down while in the herd you are f*cked , no one will help you up, they will instead stand on you to get one inch closer to the exit.
Philadelphia Mayor Nutter is on right now calling for a renewal of the assault weapon bill ...
Just had a thought this morning.
How did he get into the theater carrying all that without raising an eyebrow?
I know you can conceal a handgun pretty easily, but a shotgun, carbine, gas mask, and all the ammo to go with it? (an 870 doesn't take mags ya know) I'd think even a trenchcoat would have some serious "bumps" in it with all that.
Just sayin.
So he either runs out of ammo or figures the police are on their way, and walks out to the exit door, and is about to get in his car. Supposedly, one or two cops see him but they think he is a cop just like them.
I haven't clicked on the news yet this morning, but I think this picure helps explain things:
(http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/gryphon1994/c1f96bfe.jpg)
from the eye witness reports, I am surmising that he bought a ticket and then went in looking like a normal person.
A few minutes into the movie he acts like he receives a phone call, gets out of his seat, walks out the exit door, maybe rigs it so it doesn't latch behind, walks the 30 feet to his car. Once at his car he starts suiting up and gathering up his guns. Then he goes back through the same exit door. Throws a can/grenade or two of tear gase into the crowded theater and proceeds to shooting, first with the shotgun, when that runs dry, then he switches over to the AR which if you look closely at the pic above has a normal GI style 30 round mag still in it, not a drum mag or a beta mag which has been reported (errr.... Fabricated???... To push an agenda)
I think we can all imagine the degree of panic that set in, especiall with everbody running for the door.
So he either runs out of ammo or figures the police are on their way, and walks out to the exit door, and is about to get in his car. Supposedly, one or two cops see him but they think he is a cop just like them.
In other pics or footage, you can see the pieces of body armor and helmet lying on the sidewalk kind of close to the car.
Now I hear the LSM calling his vest "tactical" and no longer "bullet proof", even if they are still trying to leave that impression: "dressed head to toe in bullet proof gear." Ya think maybe someone told them that you gotta spend more than $140 to get a bullet proof vest?
Not to split hairs, but it is POSSIBLE that the mag is one of the new ones from Surefire, that do, indeed, hold 60 or 100 rounds. From this angle, that can't be determined. I'm just saying...................
Brian
Not to split hairs, but it is POSSIBLE that the mag is one of the new ones from Surefire, that do, indeed, hold 60 or 100 rounds. From this angle, that can't be determined. I'm just saying...................
Brian
Tyler,
The Beta Mags have improved since they came out. Also, we don't know how many rounds he actually fired from it. He was doing New York reloads as he went through the theater.
Also, if you listen to the local officials you will not hear an agenda outside of nailing this guy's balls to a stump and pushing him off backwards. They are being very careful not to miss anything or let anything leak.
Meanwhile, a federal law enforcement official provided an updated account about the gunfire inside the theater, saying that a semi-automatic assault rifle used by the shooter jammed during the attack, forcing him to switch to another weapon.
The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to in order to discuss the investigation, said late Saturday night that the jammed weapon had a high-capacity ammunition magazine. Police have said that a 100-round drum magazine was recovered at the scene and that such a weapon would be able to fire 50 to 60 rounds a minute.
Does anyone have access to the photos of the guns referred to. The only ones I have seen on TV are the ones put together from file photos, and not the actual guns.http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/07/foghorn/overview-of-the-guns-used-in-the-colorado-batman-shooting/ (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/07/foghorn/overview-of-the-guns-used-in-the-colorado-batman-shooting/)
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=20124.msg254086#msg254086
Half way down page 3 of this thread Tyler posted a photo that, in the top left corner shows an AR (presumably the one used) laying on the ground by the Exit door.
Rastus, the reports I've heard were that he initially bought a ticket and entered like every one else, he then went out through the exit and propped it open so he could gear up and come back in.
http://berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?p=818002&posted=1#post818002
There is a poster there with the screename "Homerboy". I don't think he gets it.
Homerboy said several times that he would not mind at all having to have a background check for private sales. I wonder if he's thought about what would happen if the FBI decided to turn NICS off... for a day, a month, a year, or forever. I don't want the NRA membership numbers to decline but I can't help but think that we might be better off without members like Homerboy. Compromise is somethng we can not do.
Side door. He went out after the movie started, propped it open, and came back in geared up.
Agreed wholeheartedly !
This is something they actually have done in the past, supposedly "for maintenance".
There was at least one State that also shut down it's instant check site on the weekend of the largest gun show in the state.
Saw some one wearing a cop uniform (sound was off and closed captioning covered up who it was) on one of the Sunday talk shows saying he was opposed to a total gun ban, but couldn't we get rid of these "assualt weapons" and "high capacity" magazines.
We need to all act to nip this sh!t in the bud before it gets any traction.
Both Australia and England lost their rights over incidents like this.
Thanks Tom!
I will being doing my version of the same.
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And if only one of them had been allowed in the theater armed, the tragedy might have been minimized....
was the thearter a Gun free zone??
Yes. Just like Virginia Tech. In these 2 instances alone there were 44 people killed in, "gun free zones".
"It appears that Cinemark Holdings Inc., owner of the theater where these murders took place exercises its rights as an owner of private property in Colorado to bar those who hold concealed carry permits from exercising their rights in its theaters. As a result, law-abiding citizens, including owners of concealed carry permits, who were in the theater that dreadful night were unarmed and thus unable to defend themselves and their fellow movie-goers from the murderous attack visited upon them."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/story/2012-07-21/Aurora-shooting-Batman-Pendley-mountain-states-concealed-carry/56394526/1
And this is why I take full advantage of Minnesota's toothless signage. My wife has finally quit pointing the signs out to me as we walk past and she knows I am fully armed.
And this is why I take full advantage of Minnesota's toothless signage. My wife has finally quit pointing the signs out to me as we walk past and she knows I am fully armed.
Just saw footage of this douchebag's initial court appearance. Looks like they had him in a vest under his jail uniform. Probably a prudent course of action under the circumstances.
<snip>
"It appears that Cinemark Holdings Inc., owner of the theater where these murders took place exercises its rights as an owner of private property in Colorado to bar those who hold concealed carry permits from exercising their rights in its theaters. As a result, law-abiding citizens, including owners of concealed carry permits, who were in the theater that dreadful night were unarmed and thus unable to defend themselves and their fellow movie-goers from the murderous attack visited upon them."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/story/2012-07-21/Aurora-shooting-Batman-Pendley-mountain-states-concealed-carry/56394526/1
Sue Cinemark into bankruptcy.
Here it is Wednesday morning about 8 AM St. Louis time. I have the CBS channel on and their morning show led off the 8 o'clock hour with the Michael Jackson family drama,
I find that interesting. ???
okay, good point about the supposedly made in Korea Beta C mag...
where, exactly did you hear that?
do you have a link to a news source?
or was it just conjecture/speculation/supposition on another internet forum?
sorry, I don't mean to be a jerk, but I have read/heard pretty much the same thing from another forum.
^^^awesome!
as far as that one Occupy picture floating around, nobody so far I has come forward to deny it either. Nobody has said "Oh, that's actually my little brother Bobby at an Occupy Cincinatti event."
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Why is it that states with CCW permits have lower violent crime rates than those that restrict the right of self-defense? Easy, criminals still have weapons and they know no one else does. Easy prey. Make a predator think twice about YOU as a target, they will find someone easier to go after.You can't take away all the guns, ask the Aussies and Brits. They still have shootings more than 20 years after they effectively (legally anyway) outlawed private firearms. Criminals, by definition, don't follow laws"
We'll see what kind of furour THAT causes on Yahoo (D)
<snip>as far as that one Occupy picture floating around, nobody so far I has come forward to deny it either. Nobody has said "Oh, that's actually my little brother Bobby at an Occupy Cincinatti event."
I think the MSM is scared to go there. Past normal practice has been to attack anyone from "the other side" that presents another point of view to shout them down....we aren't seeing that here. I would not at all be surprised if they were not sitting on footage that confirms him as a fleabag occupier.
That thought had crossed my mind but I'm not finding anything in the Blogosphere either, Brietbart, Blaze, the Heritage newsletters, Hotair, none of them have anything about it.
Tom you know that there is a lot more to violent crime rates then just ccw.
Yeah, but it is not politically correct to attempt to connect things like race, socio-economic status, population density, education level, parents's marital status, etcetera, etcetera to crime rates.
This could be a thread all to itself: would legalizing all drugs reduce crime?
I was going to say, "Think of all the money we'd save from the 'War on Drugs'", but then I realized we would need a bureaucracy to administer the free purchase of the legal drugs, so I guess that would be a wash.
Then of course, there's how to hide that huge black budget they have now for the "War on Drugs".
The price of the drugs would fall making it possible to maintain a habit without resorting to crime....at least for those with enough self control left to be ale to sweep floors....
Dumb is dumb.
You would have a stroke if you knew who around you was using "recreational" drugs, and other narcotics.
Your Dr ?
Some one on his staff ?
Your lawyer or accountant ?
The guy who works on your car ? (that one is nearly a certainty )
Your neighbor hood cop ?
Your kids or wife ?
Just like with booze, responsible users are undetectable.
I'll second these statements. Even though employers have pre-employment testing and random testing while employed, people are still using and quite frankly, I don't care what they do on their own time!
You would have a stroke if you knew who around you was using "recreational" drugs, and other narcotics.
Your Dr ?
Some one on his staff ?
Your lawyer or accountant ?
The guy who works on your car ? (that one is nearly a certainty same with any welders you may know99% either use drugs, booze, or both )
Your neighbor hood cop ?
Your kids or wife ?
Just like with booze, responsible users are undetectable.
That is why keeping drugs illegal is stupid. These same people would flush their lives down the drain regardless, maybe by eating until they are to fat to move, or tanning until the are burnt to a cancerous crisp, or becoming alcoholics.
Stupidity always finds a way.
Posters on here all claim to worship the Constitution .
Please show me on cite from either the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, or the Federalist that gives the Govt power over what a person puts in their body, whether it's Pot and Cocaine, or a Big Mac and 20 ounce soda.
I am aware of that. That is why I made the distinction. Those folks are not a threat to the peace except by what the War On Drugs does to their demand.
I was speaking to those who do not/can not act that responsibly.
P.S. I used the term recreational drugs rather than just drugs because there are some drugs or substances that should not be legal for citizens to posses. ...like Anthrax virus/toxin or what ever it is...or other drugs/chemicals of that nature.
That is the same argument used by gun grabbers.
Just like with guns it is a matter of personal conduct, not an inanimate object.
You just gotta know that some other people in the blogosphere had to have seen that OWS pic anf then tried to vet its authenticity. But I still can't find one source that goes "A'yup, that's a photo shop!"
Weird! ???
It's just completely dropped off the radar.
I have not found any denials either, but I have found no other reference at all.Quote
Nothing I would stake my reputation on.
I'd want to know more about Metabunk first (the bottom link )
http://granitegrok.com/blog/2012/07/james-e-holmes-ties-to-occupy-san-diego
http://themadjewess.com/2012/07/22/photo-of-james-holmes-ows-san-diego-fact-holmes-registered-dem-with-occupy-black-bloc-obama-supporter/
http://metabunk.org/threads/666-Debunked-Photo-of-James-E-Holmes-at-Occupy-San-Diego
Legalizing drugs is a lot like gun control. On paper it makes for a good argument. Everywhere it's been applied it's turned out to be a disaster. Los Angeles is a good example. Their whole "Medical Marijuana" experiment was a disaster with crime rates rising upwards of 500% around the "clinics" that dispense. Dopers are going to steal for money to buy it, regardless if the seller is a neighborhood pusher, or a "clinic".
You can't compare this country to foreign countries like Holland either. Where are the street gangs in Holland? Where are the poor blacks? Where are the run down hispanic neighborhoods in Amsterdam? There aren't any. And besides, they never really "legalized" it. They just look the other way. Most of the dopers there are on vacation from somewhere else. It a big attraction for "recreational" dopers who go there to get high, much like young guys go to Thailand to get laid on Pattaya's Walking Street.
You shoot down your own argument right there.
You CAN compare the US to Holland if you are prepared to accept the unPC idea that the problems are not due to the items, but to the people.
You are talking about the exact same people who stick up perfectly legal liquor stores.
The 1920's should have gotten the idea through peoples heads, prohibition is not only a waste of time and money, if anything it is counter productive.
So what would legalizing "prevent"? They're going to stick up the same liquor store if it's legal or not. It will still cost money they don't have. All you'll bring is a rash of new taxpayer funded government programs that will "provide them" with the drugs they need....At our expense. If this worked it would have been adopted by now. It hasn't. As I said Holland hasn't legalized it, they just look the other way. Legalizing it would add to the already escalating healthcare costs. More people would use, not less.
If you take something that is illegal and expensive, and make it legal, cheap, and plentiful, use will go up, not down. Then come all of the health costs associated with it's abuse. There is no way legalizing would solve any problem we currently have with drugs, except for making more lazy, non productive idiots. Which we already have too many of. If you dropped cigarette costs back down to a buck a pack, use would go up, not down.
None of things you have claimed were true before the 1930's when weed, cocaine, heroin, and opium were all perfectly legal.
Watched NBC Nightly news tonight with Brian Williams.
Not one single mention whatsoever about last Friday's shooting.
Again, I find that interesting.
Because no one on either side of the election process has made this a talking point, no one is going to keep it at the forefront of the news cycle. Obama made some comments today but they have no intention of doing anything overtly obvious this year. After November, all bets are off if he's re-elected.
The next three weeks are all about the Olympics on NBC! There's no time to report anything else...
Watched NBC Nightly news tonight with Brian Williams.
Not one single mention whatsoever about last Friday's shooting.
Again, I find that interesting.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Sister Mary is beating off the indians ;D