Sorry to see that this needed to be done, but hopefully it will make the forum even better as we move forward.
A couple things I need to know though:
Can we still call on Haz for clarification on terminology, or should we all just fire up the blenders and mellow out ... what was that recipe?
Sorry to be a smart ass, but it's been a looooooong weekend :(
Always available ;D
6oz of frozen Lime Aid concentrate. Do not mix … just take the 6oz. and dump it in a blender
6oz. of your favorite tequila
6oz. of beer (pilsners or “light” beers work best)
3oz. of really cheap white wine
Add ice and blend (Taste great “on the rocks”. However, keep in mind that they are a little more powerful given the lack of blended ice)
Can we get one of those happy, funky, and ever so neat M'ette posts? ;D
-Bidah
*Just a warning..... I dont really think that I can control myself when talking about those loony Democrats and the direction that they want to take our great nation, so you may want to ban me completely from commenting in the politics section of the forum. ;D
So a gun company comes out with a bad gun.
I don't mean a badly forged/cast/assembled gun that slipped through the Quality Control cracks, I'm talking a real turd of a design.
Not your run of the mill turd but I mean a REAL smelly, corn studded, steaming pile of scat that would make a large bovine proud.
We can't mention it? We can't call a spade a spade?
When does "critique products in an informational way" end and bashing/riot inducing start?
Is it like Justice Stewarts: "I can't define pornography, but I know it when I see it?"
I think I almost understand the position taken but that doesn't mean I'm in total agreement with it either.
Is a gun a turd because you can't shoot it well?
Kmitch...I think you're getting somewhere...IMHO, the answer to your question is Zen-ish — "when is a turd, in fact, a turd?"...
...I will continue giving you my opinions, which — although I am quite fond of them — fall somewhat short of omniscience. I will also do my best to tell you what my biases are, because that's the only way you can use my information to make your own decisions.
And I strongly urge you to remember those stirring words from Cartman on a classic SOUTH PARK:Vote for Turd Sandwich.Michael B
This is the most important election of our lives.
Turd Sandwich brings us hope for change.
A vote for Turd Sandwich is a Vote for Tomorrow!
All right Haz, in true Kum By Ya spirit,..... am forced to remind those that "Rage Against The Machine"
As only he can,....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o-SuRXwK5o
Now that's out of my system,.... I love life and all of you,,,peace out..... :o
I was expecting to see something from the band "Rage Against The Machine". DO NOT watch all the way to the end if the "F word" offends you. I find this more tolerable than listenening to Kumbaya. At least it's English. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkuOAY-S6OYI too was expecting to see Rage Against the Machine. In my early days of junior college, I hung out in a group of friends that included Zach from RATM (pre-rage). He was a guitar player back then and not quite so angry. He did however go out and get a tattoo of Martin Luther King Jr. that we teased him for, because it looked like Sherman Hemsley of the Jeffersons. Funny how we take different paths. I was one of only 2 people in that group who could be considered conservative.
I was expecting to see something from the band "Rage Against The Machine". DO NOT watch all the way to the end if the "F word" offends you. I find this more tolerable than listenening to Kumbaya. At least it's English. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkuOAY-S6OY
Are you sure? (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/fragend/confused-smiley-013.gif)
I suggest a new ZOMBIE hunt. What do you think? 44's or bigger only, or can the pee wee's play too ?
99% sure it is English. There are a couple of words I can't quite make out. But I'm 100% sure Kumbaya is NOT English. I think it's a Creole dilect called Gullah which I don't speak or understand at all. Tonight I think I finally know what that word means for the first time in my life. Does anyone here speak Geechee?
"Kumbaya" (also spelled Kum Ba Yah) is a spiritual song from the 1930s. It enjoyed newfound popularity during the folk revival of the 1960s and became a standard campfire song in Scouting and other camping organizations.
Wikpediai quote, emphasis mine:
The song was originally associated with unity and closeness, but more recently is also alluded to sarcastically to connote a blandly pious and naively optimistic view of the world and human nature.[
Yeah, we're on the same page...thanks for the OPPORTUNITY to wrote on the Zen of a turd...I feel so Cartman-ish...
Michael B
It is Gullah for 'Come by here'. I don't even want to Hazcat a guess how you knew that, jumbofrank.
It is Gullah for 'Come by here'. I don't even want to Hazcat a guess how you knew that, jumbofrank.
It is Gullah for 'Come by here'. I don't even want to Hazcat a guess how you knew that, jumbofrank.
To me, there is a difference between rationally conveying a problem with a product, such as what I did with my striker breaking, and beating a dead horse into the ground, burying it, exhuming it, and then beating it all over again, which is what others had done.
-JT
To me, there is a difference between rationally conveying a problem with a product, such as what I did with my striker breaking, and beating a dead horse into the ground, burying it, exhuming it, and then beating it all over again, which is what others had done.You might want to PM MB on that...he was interested in whether or not the problem was resolved.
-JT
+1 Was that the post with the picture of the striker? I can't find that thread anymore. I wanted to see what the explanation was for it breaking.
Frank
Ml'ette
You can do whatever you want as long as you don't chew tobacco and spit. That's just not ladylike.
JB
I didn't know you got a turd for your bithday. That makes things different. That never even happened to Charlie Brown or Rodney Dangerfield. Please accept my apology for my comment the other day. I didn't know. And no I don't want to take it off your hands. That goes for other peoples turds too. No thanks.
Tom
I never saw Gullah Gullah Island but thought it was as real as Seasame Street. Was the show about one of those real islands?
I posted an update, but the thread got killed.
Ruger did overnight me a new striker, but because I had to wait for a supervisor to call back and hear the issue before authorizing that shipping method, I had to wait an additional day, as UPS already stopped by the plant. There was another issue where the person who typed the UPS label misread the handwriting on the invoice, so there was another day delay from that.
The replacement striker looked a little like it came out of another gun. I can understand reusing parts from guns that had other defects, so that's not that big a deal with me. The heft was no different than the part that broke. After installing the replacement and dryfiring with snap caps, the trigger pull did feel noticeably lighter to me. It actually felt like a striker that had already been broken in.
Just to be sure, during the course of that weekend, I dryfired the gun several hundred times...near 1000. After every hundred trigger pulls or so, I'd remove the striker and examine it for any obvious stress or deformation. None was noted. I finally managed to get it to the range this past Sunday to send some rounds downrange. It was a short session, only putting about 60 rounds downrange at a plate rack. I didn't shoot a paper target, so I couldn't really determine accuracy, but my performance on the plate rack indicates that there appears to be no noticeable change in accuracy (my slide was replaced during the trigger recall work). No failures of any kind. Gun went "bang" every time I pulled the trigger, and ONLY when I pulled the trigger.
The trigger blade safety did not bother me at all, and I really thought it would. I pretty much didn't notice it at all. When cleaning the gun later that day, I inspected the striker once more, and there is no obvious stress or deformation.
Ruger did want the broken striker returned to them, but only after I mentioned it, and I placed a note in the return envelope they sent that should any analysis of the broken part be done, I'd like to be notified of any conclusions. I don't really expect them to do so, but if they do, great.
So far, so good.
-JT
So here's the deal, Jay...give the Ruger 30 days of shooting. If you're still not happy with it, I'll swap you even for my S&W M&P 9mm, which is an excellent gun.
Fair?
Michael B
:o Wow!
Fair? That's a hell of a deal!
Mr Bane, your mama would be very proud. That really speaks volumes about you and what you are all about. Now what you want to trade me for a broken down old pick up truck with four flat tires........ Ive been looking for a new pistol in .22 lr ;D
So here's the deal, Jay...give the Ruger 30 days of shooting. If you're still not happy with it, I'll swap you even for my S&W M&P 9mm, which is an excellent gun.
Fair?
Michael B
"I hope no one here tries to spout the liberal philosophy that it is entirely possible to "pick up a turd from the clean end." -PeglegWasn't there a comedian who said something about feeding your pooch rubber bands, so that you could pick up their turds by a loop and launch them? Maybe it was Carlin.
I hope anyone who got huffed up and wish to leave the forum over this other stuff checks back and sees this and realizes what they would be missing by leaving.
Thanks
.............and I DO hate poodles.................
I have a Sheltie-mix but none of the vets can figure out what the rest of the mix is. He's 50 pounds and Shelties are only 20 pounds. I have a weird dog with a head too small for his body but I love him.Had a sheltie that we just put down last winter...a real sweetheart of a dog. Now her friend is our only pooch- a siberian husky, about 12 years old, blind, and a little "teched" from being poisoned a few years ago. Again though, what a sweetheart.
Was it something I said?
:-[
Tomobogan---thanks for the advice, and that's exactly what I've been doing.
Considering I could shoot the gun as well as any other when I got it, it's still not up to where it should be, but it's better than it was.
The trigger may still not be for me, but I think in doing what I described I've loosened it up a little.
I've gone through the same with my M&P9. A lot of range time and dry firing at home to get a feel of this gun.
If you'll go for a swap be prepared to spend time with the new gun. I suspect MB M&P9 got Performance Center sear installed; otherwise I don't see how the trigger pull can be excellent. Trigger pulls on any M&P are heavy “out of the box”, but this could be fixed rather quickly.
Here is a link to M&P forum, if you are interested.
http://mp-pistol.com/boards/ (http://mp-pistol.com/boards/)
Rastus,
Could he help your (our) POS Mosquito?
I plan on dropping it of (along with Kimber Team Match) just as soon as I pick up the CZ 75B, SPO-1 and ***** *** that's having the trigger job.
Ordering a can for my Mosquito next week so it's got to work.
Hre ya go Gman
http://www.iespell.com/
It heps me a consederble banch as ya kin sea.
;D
Firefox has one built in.
Mosbear,...I thought I needed a second 45 before they got banned (it was looking really bleak a few months back, remember?) so I picked up an M&P on recommendation of some gun people at USSA, had a gunsmith put a trigger job on it and W - O - W . Very sweet trigger now, I asked for 4.5 lbs and it's so dang good I picked up an M&P 9MM and had the trigger work performed before the first shot.....also sweet....still a striker with some takeup...but it breaks like glass same place same weight (actually measured) every time. The same gunsmith has my ***** *** pistol and I'm hoping he can do something with it.
OH wait! Ya mean a supressor? Where? How much?
Oh, to live somewhere rational on the issue of suppressors. :'(
NC is NOT!!.
Mac.
Oh, to live somewhere rational on the issue of suppressors. :'(
NC is NOT!!.
Mac.
This is something that's been bugging me, Suppressors are regulated under NFA, a FEDERAL law, if you pay the tax and do the paperwork FEDERAL govt. says have fun. How can a STATE over ride FEDERAL law and say no ?
MB, I've been thinking about this since I first read your "turd post",You wrote "Does the fact that virtually every Colt Gold Cup will eventually snap the roll pin that holds the rear sight in place and launch the sight into the heavens — something that has been common knowledge for decades — make Colt Gold Cups turds?" the answer to that is YES. granted things made by men fail, however if they consistently fail in the same fashion it is a design flaw that could and SHOULD be fixed. ESPECIALY if it has been common knowledge for decades. I realize that production machining is not your thing, you shoot guns, help design guns write about guns, but you do not manufacture, guns or anything else of the sort so here goes. In manufacturing they have what is called "the corrective action process in quality control" The whole process is summed up by any 3 year old, WHY? Why were these items sent back? Because the rear sight came off. Why ? because the roll pin snapped. Why? OK I don't know why the roll pins snap so I'll skip to the next question, Can we fix the problem ? Yes, since the problem is holding 2 parts together we have options such as drilling and tapping to add a screw to existing items or a tack weld even. The next question in the process is can we prevent this from happening again ? Again since the problem is holding 2 parts together the answer is yes, redesign the sight mounting system to be stronger and either do away with the roll pin or retain it only as a secondary method of retention as it is not enough by itself, Such redesigns might be using a dovetail, or a larger dovetail, possibly using screws to attach the sight instead of pins. Since I don't specifically remember ever seeing a Gold cup I really can't give detailed info on the fix, but I think you get my drift. If a mass produced item consistently fails in the same manner YES it is a turd, it may be one you can work with as in this case, but it is an engineering failure that a company can and WILL fix if it respects its customers.
Unfortunately, to many companies take the attitude of the 19th century robber baron (railroad tycoon, I forget which one ) who said "Damn the consumer".
Tom, here's what I think. The NFA passed in the 30's when State's Rights was a big deal and the Feds did not have the now-prevalent inclination to come in and "Federalize" everything. The language recognizes the right of the States to more strictly regulate firearms as defined under Sec 5861, but retains the Federal law as a minimum, "reasonable" standard.
If you are a Federal licensee and Special Occupational Taxpayer (NFA FFL), you are generally exempt from what firearms a State restricts or bans under State law. But if you are just a regular guy, if the State says NO, the Feds concur.
THATS where I have a problem with NC. Suppressors are harder to qualify for than full auto. Diffrent, more restricted regulation, which would end up costing about 3 Grand for a can for a .22.
Mac.
Having read the latest posts I must add another to my first...We the consumer must take part of the blame for TURDS real or imagined. I have waited with bated breath for such and such to appear for a long time after I read/heard/whatever about it. I have cussed under and over my breath the many manufacturers who do this. I thought it was great Ruger introduced their latest during "Red October". They must have heard me ranting about other gun makers taking so long to release a gun they had introed x years ago or an accessory mfg. for the same thing. I also have to admit that they did a good job in two respects...1) There were a bunch , TURDS or NOT, ready for the pipeline and 2) they came up with a fix in a fair amount of time (yea, I know the fix doesn't work too well - give it a chance- and it seemed like forever if you were waiting for your box to arrive - I wasn't!), but still they did do a pretty good job. I fault them for one and only one thing...not responding in writing/on the web/whatever to our concerns. MAYBE NEXT TIME. And finally, no one would have imagined the LCP would have made such an instant impact sales wise.
Rant mode OFF
J Another of MHO
Richard