NEW FORUM RULES 9/07/08 — Please Read!

[Hazcat]

It is Gullah for 'Come by here'.  I don't even want to Hazcat a guess how you knew that, jumbofrank.  

I feel sooooo abused!

[Cthulhu]

To me, there is a difference between rationally conveying a problem with a product, such as what I did with my striker breaking, and beating a dead horse into the ground, burying it, exhuming it, and then beating it all over again, which is what others had done.

-JT

[Big Frank]

To me, there is a difference between rationally conveying a problem with a product, such as what I did with my striker breaking, and beating a dead horse into the ground, burying it, exhuming it, and then beating it all over again, which is what others had done.

-JT

+1  Was that the post with the picture of the striker? I can't find that thread anymore. I wanted to see what the explanation was for it breaking.

Frank

[jaybet]

To me, there is a difference between rationally conveying a problem with a product, such as what I did with my striker breaking, and beating a dead horse into the ground, burying it, exhuming it, and then beating it all over again, which is what others had done.

-JT

You might want to PM MB on that...he was interested in whether or not the problem was resolved.

[Cthulhu]

+1  Was that the post with the picture of the striker? I can't find that thread anymore. I wanted to see what the explanation was for it breaking.

Frank

I posted an update, but the thread got killed.

Ruger did overnight me a new striker, but because I had to wait for a supervisor to call back and hear the issue before authorizing that shipping method, I had to wait an additional day, as UPS already stopped by the plant.  There was another issue where the person who typed the UPS label misread the handwriting on the invoice, so there was another day delay from that.

The replacement striker looked a little like it came out of another gun.  I can understand reusing parts from guns that had other defects, so that's not that big a deal with me.  The heft was no different than the part that broke.  After installing the replacement and dryfiring with snap caps, the trigger pull did feel noticeably lighter to me.  It actually felt like a striker that had already been broken in.

Just to be sure, during the course of that weekend, I dryfired the gun several hundred times...near 1000.  After every hundred trigger pulls or so, I'd remove the striker and examine it for any obvious stress or deformation.  None was noted.  I finally managed to get it to the range this past Sunday to send some rounds downrange.  It was a short session, only putting about 60 rounds downrange at a plate rack.  I didn't shoot a paper target, so I couldn't really determine accuracy, but my performance on the plate rack indicates that there appears to be no noticeable change in accuracy (my slide was replaced during the trigger recall work).  No failures of any kind.  Gun went "bang" every time I pulled the trigger, and ONLY when I pulled the trigger.

The trigger blade safety did not bother me at all, and I really thought it would.  I pretty much didn't notice it at all.  When cleaning the gun later that day, I inspected the striker once more, and there is no obvious stress or deformation.

Ruger did want the broken striker returned to them, but only after I mentioned it, and I placed a note in the return envelope they sent that should any analysis of the broken part be done, I'd like to be notified of any conclusions.  I don't really expect them to do so, but if they do, great.

So far, so good.

-JT

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[tombogan03884]

Ml'ette
You can do whatever you want as long as you don't chew tobacco and spit. That's just not ladylike.

JB
I didn't know you got a turd for your bithday. That makes things different. That never even happened to Charlie Brown or Rodney Dangerfield. Please accept my apology for my comment the other day. I didn't know. And no I don't want to take it off your hands. That goes for other peoples turds too. No thanks.

Tom
I never saw Gullah Gullah Island but thought it was as real as Seasame Street. Was the show about one of those real islands?

It was like Sesame Street with Spanish moss instead of city buildings and no Muppets.

[tombogan03884]

I posted an update, but the thread got killed.

Ruger did overnight me a new striker, but because I had to wait for a supervisor to call back and hear the issue before authorizing that shipping method, I had to wait an additional day, as UPS already stopped by the plant.  There was another issue where the person who typed the UPS label misread the handwriting on the invoice, so there was another day delay from that.

The replacement striker looked a little like it came out of another gun.  I can understand reusing parts from guns that had other defects, so that's not that big a deal with me.  The heft was no different than the part that broke.  After installing the replacement and dryfiring with snap caps, the trigger pull did feel noticeably lighter to me.  It actually felt like a striker that had already been broken in.

Just to be sure, during the course of that weekend, I dryfired the gun several hundred times...near 1000.  After every hundred trigger pulls or so, I'd remove the striker and examine it for any obvious stress or deformation.  None was noted.  I finally managed to get it to the range this past Sunday to send some rounds downrange.  It was a short session, only putting about 60 rounds downrange at a plate rack.  I didn't shoot a paper target, so I couldn't really determine accuracy, but my performance on the plate rack indicates that there appears to be no noticeable change in accuracy (my slide was replaced during the trigger recall work).  No failures of any kind.  Gun went "bang" every time I pulled the trigger, and ONLY when I pulled the trigger.

The trigger blade safety did not bother me at all, and I really thought it would.  I pretty much didn't notice it at all.  When cleaning the gun later that day, I inspected the striker once more, and there is no obvious stress or deformation.

Ruger did want the broken striker returned to them, but only after I mentioned it, and I placed a note in the return envelope they sent that should any analysis of the broken part be done, I'd like to be notified of any conclusions.  I don't really expect them to do so, but if they do, great.

So far, so good.

-JT

Sounds like it was probably just a bad casting then. It happens sometimes no matter HOW carefully the work is done.

[Michael Bane]

Sorry about the yellow...I hit the wrong button, yellow being between pink and red.

Jay is totally right...I do have a warped view of guns, because I handle so many of them. I hope I can pass along a little of what I've learned handling all those guns. "Look-and-feel" is an illusive thing...as I said in the turd post, I'm not crazy about Glocks. However, my friend Chris Edwards, who works for Mr. Glock and who I've shot with for years and years, correctly points out that if I were to spend a couple of weeks shooting only Glocks, my body and my reflexes would adapt to the Glock "look-and-feel." Chris correctly points out that he and I began competing with the same guns, 1911 Commanders, and now 1911s feel "awkward," that is, "not-Glockish," to him.

I am intimately aware of how this adaptation process works because, as I've posted before, I've lost a good portion of the vision in my right eye due to a particularly nasty virus. I was wildly right-eye-dominant, heck right-side dominant...and I bitched and moaned and made excuses and raised holy hell until one of the GUNSITE instructors made me "shut the "F-word" up" and force myself to adapt. I am now "classically" left-eye-dominant. I still shoot right handed wth my left eye — it no longer feels strange at all — and I'm teaching myself to shoot long guns off my left shoulder. As I mentioned on the blog, last week I made a 1100-yard shot at the Whittington Center with John Gangl's custom .260 shooting for the first time off my left side with my left eye on the scope. Yes, it felt awkward as all get-out, but the results were there.

That's what I mean when I (or anyone else) talk about a trigger not being a deterrent to good shooting...while I might like a great trigger pull, when the rubber hits the road it seems to make much less difference, a la my GUNSITE class with both the M&P, which has a superb trigger, and the SR9, which doesn't. Same scores. That has forced me to rethink my own recommendations on triggers, trigger-pull, "riding" the trigger, etc.

Jay, I totally understand your frustration...you bought one puppy — a Rottweiler,say — send it to the vet for its shots and it came back a poodle. A broken striker is something that can be fixed by Ruger, but a different feel just isn't in the realm of correctable possibilities. Here's what I ask of you...give the gun a chance and give your body a chance to adapt to the way the gun shoots. That means shelving a lot of anger...believe me, I know of what I speak! When I found out that because of doctors' errors I had lost almost half the vision in my right eye, that it couldn't be corrected by lenses or surgery and that it was likely to continue to deteriorate, I have never been so coldly furious at anything in my life.

So here's the deal, Jay...give the Ruger 30 days of shooting. If you're still not happy with it, I'll swap you even for my S&W M&P 9mm, which is an excellent gun.

Fair?

Michael B

[ericire12]

So here's the deal, Jay...give the Ruger 30 days of shooting. If you're still not happy with it, I'll swap you even for my S&W M&P 9mm, which is an excellent gun.

Fair?

Michael B

  Wow!

Fair? That's a hell of a deal!

Mr Bane, your mama would be very proud. That really speaks volumes about you and what you are all about. Now what you want to trade me for a broken down old pick up truck with four flat tires........ Ive been looking for a new pistol in .22 lr