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Re: Government files amicus -- on DC's side!
« Reply #60 on: January 17, 2008, 07:01:27 AM »
The political die is cast. Only when outrage turns into desperation will this system change. I don't think the U.S. public is nearly there yet. Too comfortable. Might take Osama or Chelsea's Momma to get there, but is that the fate we willingly leave to our children by not participating iin the process? Disaster by default is abandonment of principle.

More free corn, anyone?  Voter, "Yes, please, and I'll vote for you even if you have horns, pitchfork and tail. Just keep the corn coming". It's not cutting back on the free corn, but actually running out, that will compel the pigs to go forage for themselves, as there is no other reason for self restraint.

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Re: Government files amicus -- on DC's side!
« Reply #61 on: January 19, 2008, 09:12:46 AM »
Didn't mean to kill the thread.  While I'm here though, do I correctly understand that what most here are advocating requires complete repeal of the Gun Control Act of '68 and the National Firearms Act to attain a satisfactory political/legal victory? No rules? What about the felons, illegals, fugitives? Would you buy a gun from an unknown, unaccountable, unlicensed manufacturer? I, personally, am comfortable that they can be safely tucked away for long periods of time in Federal penitentiaries. Mac.
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Re: Government files amicus -- on DC's side!
« Reply #62 on: January 19, 2008, 12:40:32 PM »
The "No rules " bit works for me. Let me point out that laws don't keep Felons etc from getting guns now. Shoddy manufacturing will be limited by the market, If you buy a gun thats a piece of junk will you keep quite or will you come on this forum and tell everyone "manufacturer X makes junk" . The National Firearms act was passed because of gangsters and Bank robbers using them to commit crimes. Well bank robbing and murder were already illegal, this law was nothing more than window dressing. I KNOW Mac can remember before '68 you could buy guns MAILORDER, we didn't have school shootings , we didn't have wackos shooting up shopping malls. (of course we didn't have shopping malls so THERE's the problem, never mind guns, ban malls)
  Seriuosly, Yes I believe we should repeal the gun control act of 68. It did not limit crime, which was its alleged goal.
The NFA was more a tax measure and would probably stand up to any challenge we could launch.
 Here in NH there was a girl involved in commiting and covering up a murder 30 years ago after 28 or so years the athorities caught up with her (she may have turned herself in, I'm not up on the details) yesterdays paper said she will be released in June 08 sentanced to 15 MONTHES she will have served 1YEAR and be paroled. Not a bad deal if you are a murderer.
If you want to make America safe LOCK UP THE DAM CRIMINALS . I do not know of a single case where a pistol or knife jumped up and attacked someone. The weapon is not the problem, THE CROOK IS THE PROBLEM. and I suspect Mac only wrote that to get me RILED UP. Mission Accomplished :D

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Re: Government files amicus -- on DC's side!
« Reply #63 on: January 19, 2008, 12:46:22 PM »
While we are (I am) discussing window dressing, the only thing the NICS instant check seems to accomplish is letting gun owners say "We're Govt approved" I used that myself in a letter to the editor recently. It allows us to give a smug answer to our foes without actually preventing ANYONE from getting a gun (except lawabiding people)

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Re: Government files amicus -- on DC's side!
« Reply #64 on: January 19, 2008, 01:05:48 PM »
The "No rules " bit works for me. Let me point out that laws don't keep Felons etc from getting guns now. Shoddy manufacturing will be limited by the market, If you buy a gun thats a piece of junk will you keep quite or will you come on this forum and tell everyone "manufacturer X makes junk" . The National Firearms act was passed because of gangsters and Bank robbers using them to commit crimes. Well bank robbing and murder were already illegal, this law was nothing more than window dressing. I KNOW Mac can remember before '68 you could buy guns MAILORDER, we didn't have school shootings , we didn't have wackos shooting up shopping malls. (of course we didn't have shopping malls so THERE's the problem, never mind guns, ban malls)
  Seriuosly, Yes I believe we should repeal the gun control act of 68. It did not limit crime, which was its alleged goal.
The NFA was more a tax measure and would probably stand up to any challenge we could launch.
 Here in NH there was a girl involved in commiting and covering up a murder 30 years ago after 28 or so years the athorities caught up with her (she may have turned herself in, I'm not up on the details) yesterdays paper said she will be released in June 08 sentanced to 15 MONTHES she will have served 1YEAR and be paroled. Not a bad deal if you are a murderer.
If you want to make America safe LOCK UP THE DAM CRIMINALS . I do not know of a single case where a pistol or knife jumped up and attacked someone. The weapon is not the problem, THE CROOK IS THE PROBLEM. and I suspect Mac only wrote that to get me RILED UP. Mission Accomplished :D

Actually, the NFA was passed because the US gummint was totally incapable of stopping criminals like Dillinger and Bonnie and Clyde. These criminals made the gummint look bad, and we just can't have ordinary - and they were very ordinary BTW - criminals making the gummint look bad now, can we?

And if the criminals are bad enough, don't lock them up, execute them and clean the gene pool. I am tired of paying exorbitant taxes to maintain lifestyles for thugs from MS-13 and the like.
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« Reply #65 on: January 19, 2008, 01:18:03 PM »
How much are we paying to support Ramsi Yousef, Ted Kozinski, and Terry Nichols. I know we built a new prison for those types, The "Supermax" out in Colorado. But how much does it cost to actually keep them alive, fed ,heated , guarded etc per day?

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Re: Government files amicus -- on DC's side!
« Reply #66 on: January 19, 2008, 01:48:53 PM »
A hell of a lot more than a 45 bullet~~ ::)
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Re: Government files amicus -- on DC's side!
« Reply #67 on: January 19, 2008, 02:15:29 PM »
Sorry Tom. We just aren't going to see eye to eye on this, but the effectiveness (or ineffectiveness) of the judicial system is one area where we agree. The Federal sentencing guidelines relating to violations of the GCA or NFA could certainly be tweaked to make a better deterrent for violations (felons, bombers, etc) if the right guys were elected, appointed and properly educated. But that's what we are really talking about anyway, isn't it?

Good examples too. Back up in time on each on those three. Here are arguably mentally impaired men, by hatred, disease or delusion, sitting in their living room, surrounded by hate papers and home made bombs. There are lots of people who would have absolutely evolved into a Kozinski or Nichols (IMO) had they not been caught and confined, for a long time, because there is a GCA/NFA.

Risking exile, I say we need to elect honest citizens who understand the difference between necessary regulation and political strangulation throughout all matters entrusted to them by the legal, voting populous. Don't toss it all. Fix it. Better minds than mine on this site could accomplish that restoration of the Founders vision if we could only direct that Will. The Founders didn't trust felons with guns either.   Respectfully, Mac.

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« Reply #68 on: January 19, 2008, 06:00:20 PM »
The founders didn't trust felons with a vote either. But I do not understand how you can support (?) Justify the GCA which only effects people who obey the law. The only law that will work is the law of averages. If you are a robber, murderer or rapist eventually some law abiding citizen is going to shoot you. Thats how you lowwer crime.

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« Reply #69 on: January 19, 2008, 10:27:18 PM »
I agree with Rastus, without 2A the rest of the constitution is toilet paper. So I reiterate what I said before, either we do what we can with what we got or we get ready to start killing people (We ARE the ones with the guns)
 Which would you prefer? Maybe we can get some interior decorateing tips from Osama Bin Laden, He's been living in a hole in the ground long enough to have some ideas.Same with Saddam Hussien... Oh yeah, He's DEAD.
 I'm a sarcastic smart azz, but while you sit indoors with a beverage and your computer, make no mistake, this is no joke. Every veteran out there will tell you the same 2 things, 1) It ain't always the other guy that gets killed and 2) getting killed is not the worst that can happen to you.
  Personally I'd rather spend 20 years working with the ballot box and the courts than to spend the same length of time , maybe longer wrecking the countryside and causing animosity that will take generations to mend. If you want examlples of how that can go look at Veit nam, they fought the french, the Japanese , the french again,then us. They got what they wanted, but it cost them about 75 years and 1/3 of their population.
  Look at the Confederacy, they lost a huge proportion of their men, it was so bad that if the war had continued another year they would have been drafting SLAVES. Their entire economic system was DESTROYED, They gave the entire country side and they still LOST. ( All you southerners out there relax, you did get new clean cities out of it, compare Boston and Charlotte.)
Unless you WANT to turn America into another Yuogoslavia, you must find a way to make the ballot box and courts work for you.

Sometimes I need a bit of time to think about things...but suffice to say I don't agree in total with the quote above while at the same time Tom made relevant and salient points that cannot be avoided and Tom exhibits obvious wisdom.  For myself, I contemplate some apples to oranges comparisons: 1) Viet Nam was between a people (each manipulated, no doubt), but I think the point here is that the outsiders lost it in the end.  There is no comparison to the US here with an armed citizen uprising within the US...unless of course Mexico, China, Venuezuela or someone else sends in troops.  2)  Confederacy: Two distinct political systems (nations) representing two different countries at war..again not a comparison to a general uprising.  3) Yugoslavia..getting closer, and consider, are we closer every day as we lose our national identity in what would be considered an invasion by most countries.  So, consider is a conflict inevitable, if so is it better for a conflict to occur sooner or later?

Now contrast the statements above to our national history; forefathers (and mothers and children) that died and risked it all to remain free.  Life, family and property risked and lost but to be free.  Are we convicted by our principles or just of a strong opinion?  Are we willing to lose our possessions to be free, or do we prefer our comforts over our freedom?  Be certain of this, our comforts are the highest standard in the world and under attack by the envious, the UN, environmental extremists and many politicians...there is no Bill of Rights to have electric heat or a nice car.

So each here must search themselves to know who they are.  Are you who are reading this a person of strong opinion or a man or woman of conviction?  If for those of us who claim conviction, we are who we claim we are, then we must sacrifice.  But do you, if you claim to be a person of conviction, sacrifice even the time to write to your U.S. Congressional delegates or give to the NRA or GOA in lieu of a single restaurant outing?  Will you speak out when given the opportunity or do you strive to get along?

For those who claim conviction, are you willing to yield a life of comfort to avoid a yoke?  Yes, I acknowledge it's not the other guy who dies all of the time, but the truth is many who claim to be patriots will not send in a membership to any 2nd Ammendment support organization because of some lame excuse that whoever that organization is....is a sellout.  Realistically, the sellout is the attitude, not the organization because as a gun owner if you have convinced yourself your are justified to not to write a letter or send in $10...I say that is, at best, only strongly opinionated.  Stongly opinionated people don't need to read any futher, you won't get it.

I have a lot to lose.  I'm a professional engineer with a Master's Degree that's been blessed with a great looking wife, great children, a good job, a full gun safe, bass boat, etc.  Though I have no military service, I have offered up my life.  First by staying with an offshore platform that had a blowout and a certainty of explosion to shut off an out-of-control well with the certainty that it would blow up before I finished someone else's job.  Second, I got a chance to offer my life for one of my children's lives...no hesitation there...we both made it out alive.  I know who I am, be certain of who you are. 

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