"Religion of Peace" continues it's reasonable dialog with the West

[philw]

It should be: camel-effing, sheethead, a$$hole mooslems to put a finer point on it.  This POS religion of hate wants its membership to behead your mom and you, Quaker.  If they are offended by anything I say or do, TS.  Quaker, where is your head?

Thoughtfully and caringly presented by Crusader, who could not give less than a rat's fart if some camel-effing, sheethead, a$$hole mooslem who wants to have my head takes offense at my calling him out on it.  Sheesh, Quaker.  Wake up and smell the coffee.

Could not of said it better 

you did forget goat molesting,  sand jockeys  as well

last sunday night they interviewed a Cleric here.  this is an extract from it
video @ link as well
http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=1055289

LIZ HAYES: What would happen to a woman under sharia law if she had an affair outside her marriage?

ANJEM CHOUDARY: If a man or a woman had an affair outside of their marriage and there were sufficient witnesses for either or both of them they would be stoned to death.

LIZ HAYES: Do you believe you're a superior being?

ANJEM CHOUDARY: A Muslim will always be superior to a non-Muslim, absolutely.

LIZ HAYES: You are a better person than me?

ANJEM CHOUDARY: In terms of...in the eyes of God, that would certainly be the case, yes. My dear Muslims, we live in the time of fitna...

LIZ HAYES: At 43, Anjem Choudary spends much of his time conducting his version of a sharia court and preaching to young Muslim men his views on anything from women to Americans and their pets.

ANJEM CHOUDARY: You can see, my dear Muslims, that in America, in at least 28 states, you can even get married to an animal. Bestiality is halal as long as you have relationship in your own home. This is the downfall of Western civilisation.

LIZ HAYES: You told a recent court that in 28 states in America you can get married to an animal.

ANJEM CHOUDARY: Bestiality. I mean, I did my research - that is true.

LIZ HAYES: That is an absolute lie.

ANJEM CHOUDARY: Find out, research it yourself.

LIZ HAYES: You cannot marry an animal.

ANJEM CHOUDARY: You can. It's true, it's true. Bestiality is completely legal in America.

LIZ HAYES: You are shameful. That is a lie.

ANJEM CHOUDARY: It's true. That is true. Do your research. You will see. That is the fruit of Western civilisation.

LIZ HAYES: You tell young, impressionable people lies.

ANJEM CHOUDARY: No, the reality is very difficult to swallow sometimes. In Britain, for example...

LIZ HAYES: No, it's hard for you to swallow.

I know it is Man's Best Friend  however....   I am not that close to Animals... 

[Rastus]

First there is a personal attack on me by one of our residents.  As per the usual MO, there is no "venerable" discussion of ideas, just an immediate attempt to ridicule and belittle a person and thereby discredit them quenching discussion and stifling free speech.  Tom, Haz, Geoff, Benny, and other of us disagree among ourselves in an open forum, but one particular person discredits the ideas by discrediting the person .

Next we see the assumption that if you treat people with respect and train them they will "see the light".  A utopian fantasy that liberals cling to.  It is part of the basis of their belief system and has been repeatedly shown as a false brick in their foundation.  There are certain and insignificant instances that can be pointed to as making a change....but mass education and changes continue to be an elusive fantasy.  Much like many spouses who marry believing they can change their spouse to the better.  In the particular instance my friend did befriend them, bring them gifts, speak of secular wisdom and working together for years and at the end the answer was the same, "We hate to do it but we will kill you when the time comes if you do not convert to islam."  Believing we will change a society with education, reason and kindness is a fantasy best left in fairy tales.

A statement was made that the founding of this nation was based upon premeditated slaughter of people.  I think Plymouth Rock must itself feel the shame for someone in this nation to believe that.  It was the persecution of the Christian that caused these people to come here for a new start.  There were inevitable thieves and murders that came in, but the founding, the creation the uplifting shining moment of national identity and being was not based upon the slaughter of a people like islam.  How foolish a statement.

The last and most offensive statement that ties with the response was that this person is a true representative of Christendom.  Pretty simple, if a person has a belief and calls himself by the name he should believe what Christ himself says one must be to be one of His.  Many posts exists from this person where those things that Christ said is essential in a believer, that Christ said one must follow in a certain way to be a Christian, that person refutes those things and calls himself by that namesake and it is robbery.

It is not a matter of interpretation when one does not even discuss the words but ridicules the bearer of those words.  The "almighty interpretation" is a dodge from the actual reading and discussion.  It is robbery to call oneself a Christian and flatly refute the words and way of Christ.  

It would be good to know how much time and effort such a person has put forth to help others in lieu of themselves.  I'm not talking about job duties and a paycheck...how childish.  I'm talking about really giving of one's time to help people they don't really know as well as those, like family and friends, they do know.  Do people like this take from their off time to cut a neighbors lawn when they are having surgery?  Do people like this take time to clear fallen timber for their neighbor with a suddenly bad back?   How often are people moved to help that frightened family on the road who huddled about are counting the money they have in their hands at some truckstop hoping to buy enough gas to get home instead of getting that bag of chips and soda pop?  Does such a person offer to help anyone other than themselves with their free time when someone they know is in need...and mean it?  Do their hands get dirty, do they ache from work, do they call to comfort or do they just tell everyone how they should live and how bad their situation is and how bad they "feel" for them?  Maybe such a person will give away their old vehicle to a family that needs it when they buy a new vehicle, shouldering the extra cost on the monthly note without a thought because it was the right thing to help a family in need.  Maybe such a person will do that every time they buy a car?  Does such a person notice the poor family in church who is struggling and quietly and out-of-sight provide food and clothing to help and encourage new Christians in need?  When was the last time such a person reached out to a total stranger in need because it was the right thing to do?  Did that neighbor down the street or casual acquaintance receive a call of encouragement in dark times accompanied by offers and action to help out...did they even just get words of symnpathy from such a person...did that kind of person even notice?  When was the last time such a person saw an unknown hungry family in Wal Mart with very little in their cart and give them something they had paid for from their cart and see the sparkle in a hungry child's eyes.  

Words mean nothing without a foundation of action.   Is there a foundation?



  

[Pathfinder]

+1 googolplex Ken.

[philw]

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book:
Slavery, Terrorism and Islam:
The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat.

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a
complete, total, 100% system of life.
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military
components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other
components.

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to
agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies
agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the
other components tend to creep in as well.

Here's how it works:

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given
country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving
minority, and not as a threat to other citizens.


This is the case in:
United States-Muslim 0.6%
Australia - - - Muslim 1.5%
Canada - - - - Muslim 1.9%
China - - - - - Muslim 1.8%
Italy - - - - - - Muslim 1.5%
Norway - - - - Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and
disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among
street gangs.

This is happening in:
Denmark - - - - - - Muslim 2%
Germany - - - - - - Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom- Muslim 2.7%
Spain - - - - - - - - -Muslim 4%
Thailand - - - - - - Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their
percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the
introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby
securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure
on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves along with
threats for failure to comply.

This is occurring in:
France - - - - - - - - - Muslim 8%
Philippines - - - - - - Muslim 5%
Sweden- - - - - - - - - Muslim 5%
Switzerland- - - - - - - - - Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands - - Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago-Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them
to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law.
The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the
entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase
lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris ,
we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam
and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with
opposition to
Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily,
particularly in Muslim sections in:
Guyana-Muslim 10%
India- - -Muslim 13.4%
Israel - - Muslim 16%
Kenya - -Muslim 10%
Russia- - Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad
militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian
churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%


At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks,
and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia - -Muslim 40%
Chad - - -Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon-Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of
all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic
cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax
placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania- -Muslim 70%
Malaysia-Muslim 60.4%
Qatar- - - Muslim 77..5%
Sudan- - -Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run
ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the
infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and
in
some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh-Muslim 83%
Egypt- - - - -Muslim 90%
Gaza-- - - - -Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia- - Muslim 86.1%
Iran - - - - - - - -Muslim 98%
Iraq- - - - - - Muslim 97%
Jordan- - - - Muslim 92%
Morocco- - -Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan- - - Muslim 97%
Palestine- - - Muslim 99%
Syria- - - - - -Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey- - - - Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates-Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of
Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a
Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only
word, such as in:
Afghanistan- -Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia- Muslim 100%
Somalia- - - - -Muslim 100%
Yemen- - - - - -Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most
radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust
by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me
against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family
against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe
against the world, and all of us against the infidel. --
Leon Uris, 'The Haj'

It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under
100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations
live in
ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live
by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos.
There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious
facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the
community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the
Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with
death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and
extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But
their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus,
Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the
world's
population by the end of this century.

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book:
Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The
Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat.

Today we are letting the fox guard the henhouse. The wolves will be
herding the sheep!

Obama appoints two devout Muslims to Homeland Security posts. Doesn't
this make you feel safer already?

Obama and Janet Napolitano appoint Arif Alikhan, a devout Muslim, as
Assistant Secretary for Policy Development.

DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano swore in Kareem Shora, a devout Muslim
who was born in Damascus, Syria, as ADC National Executive Director as a
member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC).

NOTE: Has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified
as a devout Catholic, a devout Jew or a devout Protestant....? Just
wondering.

Was it not "Devout Muslim men" who flew planes into U.S. buildings 8
years ago?
 

[tombogan03884]

First there is a personal attack on me by one of our residents.  As per the usual MO, there is no "venerable" discussion of ideas, just an immediate attempt to ridicule and belittle a person and thereby discredit them quenching discussion and stifling free speech.  Tom, Haz, Geoff, Benny, and other of us disagree among ourselves in an open forum, but one particular person discredits the ideas by discrediting the person .

Next we see the assumption that if you treat people with respect and train them they will "see the light".  A utopian fantasy that liberals cling to.  It is part of the basis of their belief system and has been repeatedly shown as a false brick in their foundation.  There are certain and insignificant instances that can be pointed to as making a change....but mass education and changes continue to be an elusive fantasy.  Much like many spouses who marry believing they can change their spouse to the better.  In the particular instance my friend did befriend them, bring them gifts, speak of secular wisdom and working together for years and at the end the answer was the same, "We hate to do it but we will kill you when the time comes if you do not convert to islam."  Believing we will change a society with education, reason and kindness is a fantasy best left in fairy tales.

A statement was made that the founding of this nation was based upon premeditated slaughter of people.  I think Plymouth Rock must itself feel the shame for someone in this nation to believe that.  It was the persecution of the Christian that caused these people to come here for a new start.  There were inevitable thieves and murders that came in, but the founding, the creation the uplifting shining moment of national identity and being was not based upon the slaughter of a people like islam.  How foolish a statement.

The last and most offensive statement that ties with the response was that this person is a true representative of Christendom.  Pretty simple, if a person has a belief and calls himself by the name he should believe what Christ himself says one must be to be one of His.  Many posts exists from this person where those things that Christ said is essential in a believer, that Christ said one must follow in a certain way to be a Christian, that person refutes those things and calls himself by that namesake and it is robbery.

It is not a matter of interpretation when one does not even discuss the words but ridicules the bearer of those words.  The "almighty interpretation" is a dodge from the actual reading and discussion.  It is robbery to call oneself a Christian and flatly refute the words and way of Christ. 

It would be good to know how much time and effort such a person has put forth to help others in lieu of themselves.  I'm not talking about job duties and a paycheck...how childish.  I'm talking about really giving of one's time to help people they don't really know as well as those, like family and friends, they do know.  Do people like this take from their off time to cut a neighbors lawn when they are having surgery?  Do people like this take time to clear fallen timber for their neighbor with a suddenly bad back?   How often are people moved to help that frightened family on the road who huddled about are counting the money they have in their hands at some truckstop hoping to buy enough gas to get home instead of getting that bag of chips and soda pop?  Does such a person offer to help anyone other than themselves with their free time when someone they know is in need...and mean it?  Do their hands get dirty, do they ache from work, do they call to comfort or do they just tell everyone how they should live and how bad their situation is and how bad they "feel" for them?  Maybe such a person will give away their old vehicle to a family that needs it when they buy a new vehicle, shouldering the extra cost on the monthly note without a thought because it was the right thing to help a family in need.  Maybe such a person will do that every time they buy a car?  Does such a person notice the poor family in church who is struggling and quietly and out-of-sight provide food and clothing to help and encourage new Christians in need?  When was the last time such a person reached out to a total stranger in need because it was the right thing to do?  Did that neighbor down the street or casual acquaintance receive a call of encouragement in dark times accompanied by offers and action to help out...did they even just get words of symnpathy from such a person...did that kind of person even notice?  When was the last time such a person saw an unknown hungry family in Wal Mart with very little in their cart and give them something they had paid for from their cart and see the sparkle in a hungry child's eyes. 

Words mean nothing without a foundation of action.   Is there a foundation?

Rastus, that's pretty hypocritical, do I have to go back and post links to all the rude stuff you have posted to FQ ?
If you can't take the heat don't hide behind this kind of BS.

[Sponsor]

[Rastus]

Rastus, that's pretty hypocritical, do I have to go back and post links to all the rude stuff you have posted to FQ ?
If you can't take the heat don't hide behind this kind of BS.

Go get some and let's talk about it. 

[fightingquaker13]

Tom don't worry about it. Its not worth the board's time. Rastus and I disagree theologically and politically and we frustrate each other. Words sometimes get said that shouldn't. I went a bit far with the "Bible thumping" bit. Rastus has gone over the  edge before as well. I will hence forth adopt the Eric rule with Rastus. Nothing negative will be said if I can't say it with a smile. Rastus I hope you will agre.
Peace
FQ13
PS I never said the US was designed to bring about religious slaughter. Just remarking that Christians used to be pretty good at that ourselves. Hence the fleeing from perseution at the hands of fellow Christians.

[ericire12]

I will hence forth adopt the Erc rule with Rastus.

Rastus, I hope you take that as a compliment as much as I do.

[BAC]

Just a little break from the festivities.

[tombogan03884]

NO FQ I will not let it slide, Rastus's crap has already cost this forum 1 good member in Desert Marine .
Any one who thinks they have all the only right answers to everything is a damned fool .
He is an even bigger damn fool if he makes these claims from amid a group that can't agree on 1911 or Glock.