Obama backs mosque near ground zero

[Hazcat]

By ERICA WERNER
Associated Press Writer

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"As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country," Obama said, weighing in for the first time on a controversy that has riven New York City and the nation.

"That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," he said. "This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable."

Obama made the comments at an annual dinner in the White House State Dining Room celebrating the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.

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Republicans were quick to pounce on the president's remarks.

"President Obama is wrong," said Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y. "It is insensitive and uncaring for the Muslim community to build a mosque in the shadow of ground zero. While the Muslim community has the right to build the mosque they are abusing that right by needlessly offending so many people who have suffered so much.

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Obama elevated it to a presidential issue Friday without equivocation.

While insisting that the place where the twin towers once stood was indeed "hallowed ground," Obama said that the proper way to honor it was to apply American values

"Our capacity to show not merely tolerance, but respect to those who are different from us - a way of life that stands in stark contrast to the nihilism of those who attacked us on that September morning, and who continue to plot against us today," he said.

Entering the highly charged election-year debate, Obama surely knew that his words would not only make headlines but be heard by Muslims worldwide. The president has made it a point to reach out to the global Muslim community, and guests at Friday's dinner included ambassadors and officials from numerous Muslim nations, including Saudi Arabia and Indonesia.

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emphasis (BOLD) is mine

[tombogan03884]

Got rope ?

[Hazcat]

I meant to ask is the an annual Easter or Christmas dinner or are they spring and winter holiday dinners?

[PegLeg45]

I say let 'em build the damned thing...then two days before the grand opening, take a helicopter (like they use to fight forest fires) and dump thousands of gallons of pig blood over the roof of the whole place.

 

[Fatman]

Got rope ?

He used just enough to hang every liberal up for re-election.

[Sponsor]

[Solus]

Like building the Hitler Museum and NAZI political center on the site of Auschwitz.

[fightingquaker13]

I wrote in a post to Eric earlier today that insulting me was pointless as I'm hard to offend. I also wrote that I could be persuaded with reason and mentioned a few times where this board changed my mind on important issues. This is one of them. I was totally against the NY mosque. Then Peter King said this (quoted from the OP):
"President Obama is wrong," said Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y. "It is insensitive and uncaring for the Muslim community to build a mosque in the shadow of ground zero. While the Muslim community has the right to build the mosque they are abusing that right by needlessly offending so many people who have suffered so much."

Ask me when it is Constitutional not to build on private property or worship as you damn well please because it is insensative and might piss folks off?

Not 12 hours ago, I was leaning against the mosque. I still don't like Islam, hate Sharia, and think Al Queda will have a field day with this propaganda wise. I wish it weren't being built. But...when someone in the government says you can't build a house of worship on your own property because the neighbors (including me) will get pissed? Sorry, but thats a gut check for this libertarian. I'd rather the damn thing were left unbuilt, but I'd rather see it built than prevent it as at least it proves we are serious about religious freedom and property rights.
FQ13 who might throw up a little in his mouth for saying that, but sometimes doing the right thing sucks. PS disregard my previous posts. Peter King inadvertantly proved me wrong. Doesn't mean I'm against the gay bar and rib joint, far from it, just that being told that one religion being favored over another, being told you can't do as you please on your own land or that folks have a right not to be offended pisses me off.

[texcaliber]

Twice in one night, FQ leaves me with a pondering mind. While I will give the fact that FQ has made an INCREDIBLE argument, I am left with the "F' them and the Horse they rode in on!" attitude. I am a sticking to my guns but the Bill of Rights trumps Ego and Hatred.

tex

P.S. knock it off FQ.

[ericire12]

I wrote in a post to Eric earlier today that insulting me was pointless as I'm hard to offend. I also wrote that I could be persuaded with reason and mentioned a few times where this board changed my mind on important issues. This is one of them. I was totally against the NY mosque. Then Peter King said this (quoted from the OP):
"President Obama is wrong," said Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y. "It is insensitive and uncaring for the Muslim community to build a mosque in the shadow of ground zero. While the Muslim community has the right to build the mosque they are abusing that right by needlessly offending so many people who have suffered so much."

Ask me when it is Constitutional not to build on private property or worship as you damn well please because it is insensative and might piss folks off?

Not 12 hours ago, I was leaning against the mosque. I still don't like Islam, hate Sharia, and think Al Queda will have a field day with this propaganda wise. I wish it weren't being built. But...when someone in the government says you can't build a house of worship on your own property because the neighbors (including me) will get pissed? Sorry, but thats a gut check for this libertarian. I'd rather the damn thing were left unbuilt, but I'd rather see it built than prevent it as at least it proves we are serious about religious freedom and property rights.
FQ13 who might throw up a little in his mouth for saying that, but sometimes doing the right thing sucks. PS disregard my previous posts. Peter King inadvertantly proved me wrong. Doesn't mean I'm against the gay bar and rib joint, far from it, just that being told that one religion being favored over another, being told you can't do as you please on your own land or that folks have a right not to be offended pisses me off.

Get lost Quaker






Back on topic. Building this mosque in that location is horrible. It is without a doubt done as an act of provication, and probably should be viewed as an act of war. HELLO! They are gonna dedicate it on September 11th! Also, I would bet the farm that there is Bin Laden money funding this damn thing. They are taking a victory lap and trying to use this as a propaganda tool. They were offered free land elsewhere in NYC and they refused it because they want it at Ground Zero.

No one is saying they cant build a mosque in NYC... No one is saying lets shut down every mosque in NYC. This is in no way violating their right to religious freedom.

The other thing that pisses me off about this is that it is by definition going to fuel terrorism. Everyone on the left always harps on how our actions cause terrorism, and how we are breeding terrorsts and all that crap.... well, what message does this send to terrorists? It tells them that they should come here and destroy any shinning symbol of what they think is wrong with America because a few years later they will erect a mosque in its place. This will without a doubt be used as a motivation tool by our enemy.

At the very least, this is disturbing the peace and they should have to move their little party elsewhere for the sake of that.



Exit Question: Show of hands... Who would have thought this would have been a good idea if presented on Sept 12th 2001?

[texcaliber]

Get lost Quaker






Back on topic. Building this mosque in that location is horrible. It is without a doubt done as an act of provication, and probably should be viewed as an act of war. HELLO! They are gonna dedicate it on September 11th! Also, I would bet the farm that there is Bin Laden money funding this damn thing. They are taking a victory lap and trying to use this as a propaganda tool. They were offered free land elsewhere in NYC and they refused it because they want it at Ground Zero.

No one is saying they cant build a mosque in NYC... No one is saying lets shut down every mosque in NYC. This is in no way violating their right to religious freedom.

The other thing that pisses me off about this is that it is by definition going to fuel terrorism. Everyone on the left always harps on how our actions cause terrorism, and how we are breeding terrorsts and all that crap.... well, what message does this send to terrorists? It tells them that they should come here and destroy any shinning symbol of what they think is wrong with America because a few years later they will erect a mosque in its place. This will without a doubt be used as a motivation tool by our enemy.

At the very least, this is disturbing the peace and they should have to move their little party elsewhere for the sake of that.



Exit Question: Show of hands... Who would have thought this would have been a good idea if presented on Sept 12th 2001?

Exit Answer: I think our People or Government should of BOUGHT THE LAND. Then this F'ing B.S. situation wouldn't be in play.
The only thing I truly can come up with is a tid-bit of knolodge that has served me over time," do not be angery over being put in 'Check', just CRUSH the bastard for doing so and savior the 'end mate' !".