It's Not Just The 9th Circuit Court, It's Also The 10th

[Pathfinder]

You know what 12' is along an interstate or even a country back road? Nothing!!

Think of all of the homemade signs using a sheet of plywood (4'x8') you've seen as you drove along, and you thought to yourself - wow, I wish they would have used a few of those plywood sheets so I could actually read what they wrote! These crosses are only 4' taller than the sheets of plywood. At any kind of speed, that is nothing.

This case is another example of the statists and lefties using our own laws to destroy the very foundation of this country. Whether it was the Catholics or the Anglicans or Congregationalists the first part of the clause applied to, what ever happened to the second part - the part about not prohibiting the free expression thereof (of religion)? That would seem to allow anyone - gummint included - to do things like this.

If the Utah troopers were Christian, the cross is appropriate. If you should happen to run across any Jewish Utah state troopers who died in the line of duty (good luck on that one!), put up a Star of David. A mooslim one? (even more doubtful), Put up a Crescent or a picture of Mohammed. Fine by me.

BTW, did bho's publicly funded Ramadan dinner recently - the one where he said that mooslims have contributed greatly to the development of America (other than remodeling lower Manhattan, anyone else think of their "contributions?) - violate the 1A? How is that different from the crosses - the US gummint paid for that dinner using US Taxpayer monies on US gummint property.

[fightingquaker13]

This case is another example of the statists and lefties using our own laws to destroy the very foundation of this country. Whether it was the Catholics or the Anglicans or Congregationalists the first part of the clause applied to, what ever happened to the second part - the part about not prohibiting the free expression thereof (of religion)? That would seem to allow anyone - gummint included - to do things like this.

Here's where we disagree. The free expression clause applies to people not the state. People have rights. The government only has duties.. To give the government a "right', which is to say a perfect claim to moral authority, is not only contrary to the idea of natural law, but dangerous. Look, I don't really care about giant crosses, and it sure doesn't hurt this Christian's feelings. I just think my church should be building them, not the government. I hope folks understand me when I say that. Its not a left wing anti-god view point, just a "keep government out of my relationship with God" point of view.
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[Solus]

You know what 12' is along an interstate or even a country back road? Nothing!!

Think of all of the homemade signs using a sheet of plywood (4'x8') you've seen as you drove along, and you thought to yourself - wow, I wish they would have used a few of those plywood sheets so I could actually read what they wrote! These crosses are only 4' taller than the sheets of plywood. At any kind of speed, that is nothing.

This case is another example of the statists and lefties using our own laws to destroy the very foundation of this country. Whether it was the Catholics or the Anglicans or Congregationalists the first part of the clause applied to, what ever happened to the second part - the part about not prohibiting the free expression thereof (of religion)? That would seem to allow anyone - gummint included - to do things like this.

If the Utah troopers were Christian, the cross is appropriate. If you should happen to run across any Jewish Utah state troopers who died in the line of duty (good luck on that one!), put up a Star of David. A mooslim one? (even more doubtful), Put up a Crescent or a picture of Mohammed. Fine by me.

BTW, did bho's publicly funded Ramadan dinner recently - the one where he said that mooslims have contributed greatly to the development of America (other than remodeling lower Manhattan, anyone else think of their "contributions?) - violate the 1A? How is that different from the crosses - the US gummint paid for that dinner using US Taxpayer monies on US gummint property.

Can't agree with the gummint  part of that.  If a member of the government wants to express his religious believes as an individual, they should be free do do so, but not as part of the office or position they  hold.  Nor should the government spend money or resources in a way that favors one religion over another.  And, yes, the Ramadan dinner fails the test and should not have been held...unless there are plans to  host a dinner for every other religion with believers in the US, a plan I don't think it practical if possible at all.

I agree that as far as the 1A, the size of the cross should not be an issue.  They could make the cross so big it straddled the road way and and was driven through.  Or even larger, requiring a lighted tunnel to drive through it.  This is a matter of taste.  Of course if the government is paying for the monuments, there is also a cost factor.

[PegLeg45]

BTW, did bho's publicly funded Ramadan dinner recently - the one where he said that mooslims have contributed greatly to the development of America (other than remodeling lower Manhattan, anyone else think of their "contributions?) - violate the 1A? How is that different from the crosses - the US gummint paid for that dinner using US Taxpayer monies on US gummint property.

Good question.

[tt11758]

BTW, did bho's publicly funded Ramadan dinner recently - the one where he said that mooslims have contributed greatly to the development of America (other than remodeling lower Manhattan, anyone else think of their "contributions?) - violate the 1A? How is that different from the crosses - the US gummint paid for that dinner using US Taxpayer monies on US gummint property.

An excellent question.  Care to weigh in on this one, professor? 

[Sponsor]

[fightingquaker13]

An excellent question.  Care to weigh in on this one, professor?  

They sold us the slaves. (And gee, that hasn't caused any trouble).
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[twyacht]

FQ:
"I hope folks understand me when I say that. Its not a left wing anti-god view point, just a "keep government out of my relationship with God" point of view."

OK, than.

Than why does every Congressional Session open with,.......wait for it,...........PRAYER!. Not a Jewish prayer, Muslim prayer, Hindu, Shinto, or Buddhist....

A Judeo-Christian Prayer.   During Jefferson's time in office the Capitol Bldg. held Mass. Our money still says "In God We Trust".

The Pew Research has a poll out today, with more people thinking BHO is Muslim, and more folks not even sure if he is a religious person to begin with.

Either way, to the OP, the sentiment and wishes of a MINORITY, is coming through our court system effecting the MAJORITY of this country, who are of some form of Christians. It's not Christmas Vacation anymore, .....it's Winter Holiday.....

Please...

There is a Greek Orthodox Church, that was destroyed when the North Tower collapsed. The minister has been "begging, pleading, and asking for the permits to rebuild."

The NY zoning board, Port Authority, etc,....have not granted him a permit to rebuild.....After almost 10 years!!!!

But a mosque can be fast-tracked?

Activist liberal judges, are doing the same thing. The 9th Circus has been overturned more than any other court. The 10th is right behind them...

Remember the Mojave Cross Case? Put there 70 years ago by the VFW, for the WWI soldiers?

Really rather pathetic, and embarrassing.

[fightingquaker13]

FQ:
"I hope folks understand me when I say that. Its not a left wing anti-god view point, just a "keep government out of my relationship with God" point of view."

I was speaking for myself TW, not the courts.
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PS The reason the Ninth Circuit is most often overruled is because it is by far the largest circuit. It covers 9 states, Guam, The Mariannas and innumerable reservations. Its not like they are super liberal or stupid. They just hear a lot more cases.

[twyacht]

Its not like they are super liberal or stupid. They just hear a lot more cases.

I can't believe that YOU can post that with a straight face...

The court’s biggest push to the left came in the 1970s, when President Carter was able to appoint 15 judges, thanks in part to Congressional expansion of the judicial rolls. “Carter appointed some of the most liberal judges ever, to any court,” said Alex Kozinski, now the chief judge of the circuit and an appointee of Ronald Reagan.

That Democratic bulge in the court means that even today, when most of the circuits’ majorities are made up of Republican appointees, 58 percent of the Ninth’s active judges came from Democratic administrations.

Those who criticize the court say the best evidence for their argument is the Supreme Court, which overturns the decisions of the Ninth more often than those of any other circuit. According to the Administrative Office of the United States Courts in Washington, the Supreme Court reversed the Ninth 14 times of the 16 cases in the 2008-2009 term — an 88 percent reversal rate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/25/us/25sfninth.html

Uh, put the Kool-Aid down FQ, your cut-off.......notice the link??? It's uh, the NY Times,,....hardly a Conservative biased group....

Google "Most Liberal Circuit Court"....

After the first 20 pgs. that all "hit" on the 9th Circus, let me know...

What do they put in the water in Palm Beach, that goes in your Kool-Aid? Thanks FQ, that is a classic post...

[fightingquaker13]

Its not like they are super liberal or stupid. They just hear a lot more cases.

I can't believe that YOU can post that with a straight face...

The court’s biggest push to the left came in the 1970s, when President Carter was able to appoint 15 judges, thanks in part to Congressional expansion of the judicial rolls. “Carter appointed some of the most liberal judges ever, to any court,” said Alex Kozinski, now the chief judge of the circuit and an appointee of Ronald Reagan.

That Democratic bulge in the court means that even today, when most of the circuits’ majorities are made up of Republican appointees, 58 percent of the Ninth’s active judges came from Democratic administrations.

Those who criticize the court say the best evidence for their argument is the Supreme Court, which overturns the decisions of the Ninth more often than those of any other circuit. According to the Administrative Office of the United States Courts in Washington, the Supreme Court reversed the Ninth 14 times of the 16 cases in the 2008-2009 term — an 88 percent reversal rate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/25/us/25sfninth.html

Uh, put the Kool-Aid down FQ, your cut-off.......notice the link??? It's uh, the NY Times,,....hardly a Conservative biased group....

Google "Most Liberal Circuit Court"....

After the first 20 pgs. that all "hit" on the 9th Circus, let me know...

What do they put in the water in Palm Beach, that goes in your Kool-Aid? Thanks FQ, that is a classic post...

Again TW, look where they are. I'm not saying they aren't liberal. They are, just like fourth circuit is conservative. Just like the 4th draws from the deep South, the 9th draws from Ca., oregon and Washington. You've got everything from LA to Seattle on that court. The point of the post was much smaller. More cases=more opinions being overturned. Nothing more.
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