Shameless Sarah Brady Once Again Uses A Tragedy To Try And Further Her Agenda

[TAB]

In sacramento county, which is where I use to live, you basicly had to be a faimly member or a friend of the sheriff to get a CCW if you were not a DOJ/LEO employee.  

Infact he gave one to his biz partner that was not only a felon, but he had domestic violance convictions so he was screwed 2x.


The joke around town was you had to be giving the sheriff a bj to get one.

there was only 7 non leos in the county that had them, when the old sheriff retired( he was a scumbag)4 of those went away.

[SwoopSJ]

Explain to an underage, young Marine or Troop coming home from a couple of tours in country that they cannot legally carry something they've had strapped to their thigh for several months or years.

Laws are made to control the unlawful.  My permits say; "All Lawful Purposes".....not self defense, hunting, et al....our Constitution has no age requirements.

I completely understand your point and have no problem whatsoever with an exemption for military personnel.  They, unlike others between 18 and 21, have demonstrated that they have both maturity and self control.  As I said in my original post, juvenile records in my state ARE sealed, but according to Majer, they aren't in NY.  ("Joyriding" would be considered a serious offense and wouldn't be sealed here either, though.)  While the Constitution may not include age requirements, I don't think it's asking too much to allow these civilian "kids" 3 years to either prove or disprove their ability to function within the law.  If the percentage of CCW permit holders involved in violent crimes were to increase due to the inclusion of the 18 - 21 age group, thereby threatening our ability to carry legally, would we not then scream from the mountain tops that they should never have been given the privilege of concealed carry?  Make no mistake, a privilege is exactly what it is.  We have the right to keep and bare arms, but I remember no mention of a right to conceal them.  Just my opinion though, and I'm sure it's not even worth $0.02.    

Swoop

[SwoopSJ]

I don't disagree with any of the last posts, including FQ's .

   I'm not sure if you were referring to my post or not, but if so, should I be offended?   

Swoop1 who will never again feel right due to the mistaken identity   



Just kiddin' FQ!

[TAB]

I completely understand your point and have no problem whatsoever with an exemption for military personnel.  They, unlike others between 18 and 21, have demonstrated that they have both maturity and self control.  As I said in my original post, juvenile records in my state ARE sealed, but according to Majer, they aren't in NY.  ("Joyriding" would be considered a serious offense and wouldn't be sealed here either, though.)  While the Constitution may not include age requirements, I don't think it's asking too much to allow these civilian "kids" 3 years to either prove or disprove their ability to function within the law.  If the percentage of CCW permit holders involved in violent crimes were to increase due to the inclusion of the 18 - 21 age group, thereby threatening our ability to carry legally, would we not then scream from the mountain tops that they should never have been given the privilege of concealed carry?  Make no mistake, a privilege is exactly what it is.  We have the right to keep and bare arms, but I remember no mention of a right to conceal them.  Just my opinion though, and I'm sure it's not even worth $0.02.    

Swoop

I disagree with that statement, while most do, there is still a bunch that don't.  Perfect example in basic ( now this is the USCG, not the army or maries) there were guys that were average 1500 push ups a day, becuase they could not keep thier trap shut/do what they were told.

I can give you example after example of how miltary personal do very dump things.

[tombogan03884]

I disagree with that statement, while most do, there is still a bunch that don't.  Perfect example in basic ( now this is the USCG, not the army or maries) there were guys that were average 1500 push ups a day, becuase they could not keep thier trap shut/do what they were told.

I can give you example after example of how miltary personal do very dump things.

The few are really no criteria to judge the majority, after all, we had a Senator express concern about an Island tipping over.
You can find endless numbers of stupid acts by any age group.

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[TAB]

The few are really no criteria to judge the majority, after all, we had a Senator express concern about an Island tipping over.
You can find endless numbers of stupid acts by any age group.

We have to write laws for every one, which means we have to take it down to the lowest level.

[SwoopSJ]

Okay, TAB, I guess I should have been perfectly clear and said that the majority of military personnel have attained a greater degree of maturity and self control than the average civilian of similar age.


Swoop

[kmitch200]

Monday night, I was sitting with Jim, watching the television, when news broke that a 15 year-old boy with a gun had taken 23 students and one teacher hostage in a Wisconsin high school.

Dance in their misery Sarah, you know you love to!

They should pass a law that makes taking a gun to school and holding people hostage ILLEGAL. There, problem solved. 

[reflex439]

Count me with Tim and TAB on this, while the average 18-21 year old is not mature enough, There may currently be,(depending on state ) and should be, an exemption for military personnel, (You can enlist in the Guard at 16 )

I agree. An 18yr old in the military has far more training and discipline in handling a firearm than the typical 18yr old.  I'd vote to give any 18yr old a CCW if they go through the same military training. If not, I'd rather leave it at 21 and have an exception for military.

[tt11758]

Monday night, I was sitting with Jim, watching the television, when news broke that a 15 year-old boy with a gun had taken 23 students and one teacher hostage in a Wisconsin high school.

Dance in their misery Sarah, you know you love to!

They should pass a law that makes taking a gun to school and holding people hostage ILLEGAL. There, problem solved. 

Man, but we're good at drifting a thread.   


My initial point was simply, how the hell does the ability or inability of an 19-20 year old person being able to legally carry a gun have ONE DAMN THING TO DO WITH a 15 year old taking his class hostage, shooting a projector and then offing himself?