did M1 carbines really fail to penetrate chinese clothing at Chosin?

[TAB]

I find it very difficult to believe that a 110 gr FMJ bullet running at 1900 fps MV wouldn't penetrate even 5-7 quilted / heavy wollen jackets.  Even if frozen.

Much more likely that these reports were a result of 1) misses , 2)ricochets 3) enemy hyped up on mix of adrenaline and/or drugs and not falling down 4) "GI lore"

Fail to disable and enemy?  Maybe.  Penetrate wool uniform...unlikely.

I've seen 30.06 fail to penetrate the skull of a pig.  When I say seen, I mean I was the one doing the shooting.   So yes it can happen...

[kilopaparomeo]

I've seen 30.06 fail to penetrate the skull of a pig.  When I say seen, I mean I was the one doing the shooting.   So yes it can happen...

Yes, but...as my scientist friends like to say..."the plural of anecdote is not data". 

[tombogan03884]

Believe as you wish.
Personally I would not trust my life to it.

[TAB]

Yes, but...as my scientist friends like to say..."the plural of anecdote is not data". 

true, but it does not mean it can't happen and it happen twice in a row that day, I have a scar on my leg from that day.  damn thing hit me and fell over dead about 10' past me 

2 arrows and 3 30.06... 

[kilopaparomeo]

Believe as you wish.
Personally I would not trust my life to it.

Don't get me wrong...I didn't in any way say I think the .30 Carbine is a great military round.  I just don't believe that they bounced off of NoKo and ChiCom wool coats.

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[kilopaparomeo]

2 arrows and 3 30.06... 

Yup...I had a hot .45 Colt glance off of a boars head that was charging.  Dang things are tough.

[tombogan03884]

They weren't wool, if they had been the Chinese would not have had so many troops freeze to death.
They were cotton, with cotton quilting, which, while it sux for cold weather, is tough enough that in the late 70's the Soviets were using wadded cotton in anti fragmentation vests .

[Ulmus]

I wonder if the carbine would be better if it was chambered for the .357 magnum round.

What do you think?

[Timothy]

Yup...I had a hot .45 Colt glance off of a boars head that was charging.  Dang things are tough.

KPR....next time just clock him with the butt of that Ruger....should stop him cold!

 

[TAB]

the m1 was designed and spected for a gun that was inbetween a hand gun and a rifle.  it was to be issued to non combative troups.  It was  only after the "handyness" of the rifle was descovered that combat troups used them.