this-is-odd-o-meter pegged this morning

[JC5123]

possibility but the family that runs the business just doesn't do contractors - folks that clean the office are employees , maintenance people too.   

this building in a security nightmare - way too many doors in and out  - good thing is new people stick out

Sounds like changing this situation would go a long way to help. I would limit the ways into the building. Also making sure that any entrance is able to monitored somehow. One way locks are very inexpensive these days. This would allow you to keep the doors locked to unwanted access, but still allow fire egress.

[Magoo541]

I've seen it happen at work and at a gym I used to go to and the one I use now.  The work incident played out simliar to yours, the gym imposters were watched like thieves and got away with some minor aches and pains... we(the paying patrons) got a good laugh at their expense. 

So why can't I carry to work?

[TAB]

I've seen it happen at work and at a gym I used to go to and the one I use now.  The work incident played out simliar to yours, the gym imposters were watched like thieves and got away with some minor aches and pains... we(the paying patrons) got a good laugh at their expense. 

So why can't I carry to work?

do you have 1 mill liquid and another 10 mil you can get to with in short notice?


if not, thats why you can't carry at work.


Like it or not, a ND in the work place or you actually having to use the gun in SD is going to end up costing your employer big bucks.  Its really that simple.

Even something as small as a flesh wound will end up costing tens of thousands, if not much, much more.

Lets just say you have a ND and it injures some one near you.  Ambulance ride, over night in the er and they spend a week off work.

Does not sound like much does it?  think again.

The ride is going to cost atleast a grand, the over night in the hospital is going to be atleast 25k, add in a weeks pay, oh yeah, since they spent 24+ hours in the hospital  OSHA has to come do a field audit, of which I have never seen or heard of them not find some type of violation, thats another 10k( if not alot more), workmens comp just went up and they have to find and train a replacment for you.  Lets also not forget the ammount of time HR/book keeper/owner is going to have to put into dealing with all this stuff. 

Thats atleast 100k right there and it was from a minor injury.  I've seen small shops have to close for much less.

I won't even get into what things cost when lawyers get envoled.  A good lawyer starts at $250/hr, better are 500+

[tombogan03884]

I've seen it happen at work and at a gym I used to go to and the one I use now.  The work incident played out simliar to yours, the gym imposters were watched like thieves and got away with some minor aches and pains... we(the paying patrons) got a good laugh at their expense. 

So why can't I carry to work?

Do they have metal detectors ? Do you have something that can be deeply concealed ,like an LCP ?
It's easier to get forgiveness than permission.

[TAB]

Do they have metal detectors ? Do you have something that can be deeply concealed ,like an LCP ?
It's easier to get forgiveness than permission.

getting cuagh also makes you basicly unemployable.


Once a employer finds out you were terminated for violating weapons policy, your basicly done.



Let me be clear on this, I'm speaking as a employer.  You are free to do what ever you like, just realize that there is a price to pay for your choices.

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[wtr100]

carry is verboten for the workers und oheasnts ov ze peoplze demokratik paradize ov illinoiz

crap Wisconsin is going to get carry before we do.

[TAB]

carry is verboten for the workers und oheasnts ov ze peoplze demokratik paradize ov illinoiz

crap Wisconsin is going to get carry before we do.

NYC is going to get carry before IL will.

[Magoo541]

do you have 1 mill liquid and another 10 mil you can get to with in short notice?


if not, thats why you can't carry at work.


Like it or not, a ND in the work place or you actually having to use the gun in SD is going to end up costing your employer big bucks.  Its really that simple.

Even something as small as a flesh wound will end up costing tens of thousands, if not much, much more.

Lets just say you have a ND and it injures some one near you.  Ambulance ride, over night in the er and they spend a week off work.

Does not sound like much does it?  think again.

The ride is going to cost atleast a grand, the over night in the hospital is going to be atleast 25k, add in a weeks pay, oh yeah, since they spent 24+ hours in the hospital  OSHA has to come do a field audit, of which I have never seen or heard of them not find some type of violation, thats another 10k( if not alot more), workmens comp just went up and they have to find and train a replacment for you.  Lets also not forget the ammount of time HR/book keeper/owner is going to have to put into dealing with all this stuff.  

Thats atleast 100k right there and it was from a minor injury.  I've seen small shops have to close for much less.

I won't even get into what things cost when lawyers get envoled.  A good lawyer starts at $250/hr, better are 500+

I understand the civil litigation aspect , but if there is an active shooter (insert recent incident of your choice at a mall, grocery store, post office, school, ect.) the LAST thing I'm going to worry about is the legal aftermath.  Deadly force in a "Imenent danger or Grevious bodily harm or death" would be an easy defense civil or otherwise

[wtr100]

NYC is going to get carry before IL will.

may the fleas of a thousand camels infest you socks!   

[wtr100]

I understand the civil litigation aspect , but if there is an active shooter (insert recent incident of your choice at a mall, grocery store, post office, school, ect.) the LAST thing I'm going to worry about is the legal aftermath.  Deadly force in a "Imenent danger or Grevious bodily harm or death" would be an easy defense civil or otherwise

yes but carry in IL is totally verboten - so in my estimation I'm more likely to get sideways of the law getting caught with a firearm than I'm am to get caught up in an active shooter thing (which didn't even come to mind the other day - gee thanks pal)

It does make the 'seven seconds to safety' argument sound a bit more feasible