Here we are "down to the wire".

[fullautovalmet76]

Wrong answer Tom. Look, Nonew (or any)  taxes isn't policy to the GOP, its religion. Let's grow up. We paid for the government with tariffs for most of our history. Lets revisit those. Outsourced jobs and profits should be taxed at a higher rate than those generated domestically. NAFTA, lets reexamine that. And the artificially low rate of the Yuan ought to to be matched with a tariff on Chinese goods until it floats like every other currency. Sorry, but some taxes make sense.
FQ13

Quaker,
You are completely wrong here. We do not have have a revenue and spending problem, we have a spending problem! The answer is not, and has never been, more taxes. They always find a way to spend what little revenue they raise and revenue projections are never, I mean never, on target; they are woefully overestimated.

[fightingquaker13]

Well, FA where does the money come from? The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan don't pay for themselves (though Cheney assured us Iraq would ). What about Korea and Iran? We also don't have roads and schools springing up like mushrooms. You and Tom may dis me, but the bottom line is that every dime spent has to be paid for by a dime in taxes. There is no other way. The fact that this statement is even slightly controversial is an example of how FUBARED our political debate has gotten.
FQ13

[twyacht]

Our gov't has a spending problem,....it's called PORK....The almost trillion dollar stimulus plan,....for shovel ready jobs, infrastructure, schools etc,.. was a LIE.

It kept local unions fat and happy, and is a slush fund for the political elite, and those with a brown enough nose,....

It's the economy stupid,.........NO,....it's not.....

It's the gov't spending,....

Guilty by both parties,...and Dems voted in support of Iraq, and Afghanistan, and the empty suit that is BHO....surged again, failed to close Guantanamo, fed the unions,...printed more money,....appointed a tax cheat to the Sec. Of Treas. and catered to his far left socialist base. Who love Mother Teresa, and Mao....

Gov't broken?     Damn right it is,....and both parties are at fault....But I would go hunting with Cheney. before driving with Ted Kennedy...oh wait,....he's still sober now....

My bad,...

[tombogan03884]

Well, FA where does the money come from? The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan don't pay for themselves (though Cheney assured us Iraq would ). What about Korea and Iran? We also don't have roads and schools springing up like mushrooms. You and Tom may dis me, but the bottom line is that every dime spent has to be paid for by a dime in taxes. There is no other way. The fact that this statement is even slightly controversial is an example of how FUBARED our political debate has gotten.
FQ13

That part is absolutely correct, the point that you can't seem to get is that a large portion of the dimes spent are being thrown into wishing wells.
Foreign aid to countries that hate and oppose us, the counter productive "war on drugs", bloated staffs, duplicated effort by multiple agencies, useless and ineffectual agencies, These are all sources of waste that run into the 10's, if not 100's of billions of dollars yearly.
That doesn't even begin to address, poor or no accounting, pork, and actual criminal activity, it's just the simple stuff.

[Pathfinder]

Well, FA where does the money come from? The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan don't pay for themselves (though Cheney assured us Iraq would ). What about Korea and Iran? We also don't have roads and schools springing up like mushrooms. You and Tom may dis me, but the bottom line is that every dime spent has to be paid for by a dime in taxes. There is no other way. The fact that this statement is even slightly controversial is an example of how FUBARED our political debate has gotten.
FQ13

Tool!!!!

The .gov takes in over $180 billion a month. Ya think we can run the feebs on that? There is more than enough income to run the feebs. They do not need more, they need to stop spending. No, they need to REDUCE spending.

News item yesterday - The GAO discovered that the NIH sent your freakin' tax dollars to Chine. TO EFFIN CHINA!

[Sponsor]

[Solus]

Sigh.   Headlines today say a deal is in the works where the debt ceiling will be raised 2.4 trillion and Congress will vote on a balanced budget amendment.   

To me it was a given the debt ceiling would be raised.   Too many of the GOP love to spend at the same pace as the Dems.

And fat chance a balanced budget amendment will pass congress.

So, we will get the raised debt ceiling without the balanced budget amendment.

Like I said, I'd be satisfied with a debt ceiling increase IF the balanced budget amendment were guaranteed.

Of course, I guess it take quite a while to get an Amendment ratified, well beyond the time frame of our current crisis hype..

[Badgersmilk]

What was the hammer intended to be used for ?
Where?
Under what conditions ?
You have to be careful using tools as examples of Govt waste.
My Mother was involved in the $600 coffee maker.
What the Media told you was the Air Force paid $600 for a coffee maker and acted as if it were a $20 Mr. Coffee.
The facts were that it was intended for the J-Stars surveillance aircraft so the crew could have coffee, to stay awake, alert, and a little warmer, during their missions. Mr. Coffee won't cut it. among the requirements , it had to be stainless steel, they had only one place it could be fit in with out interfering with the computers and stuff, and it was an odd shaped space, it could not generate any kind off electrical interference, it had to work above 35,000 feet, and a bunch of other stuff.
There are enough other examples of Govt. waste to use as examples, like teaching Chinese whores to drink responsibly, that you do not need to use tools, where the expense might actually be justified .

While the coffee maker was legit.  I was once ordering the brake for the leading edge flaps on a F-16.  Having just taken the parts off the plane myself, it was pretty evident they were the same from left, to right side.  Went to order them both and found one to be aprox. $600, and the other over $13,000.  Dug out a manual, and sure enough.  "Interchangeable".  

[Badgersmilk]

This link is obviosly subject to change.  But in CHINESE NEWS.  Our "debt crisis" takes top billing over "Nearly 190,000 Evacuated as Tropical Storm Hits S. China".

Top, Center of page:
http://english.cri.cn/index.htm

[Bic]

Patched in here from another board, written by a chap whose writings I admire: - the thread was entitled "It's already too late"

 
"The Dems are trying to focus everyone on a possible default (and credit rating agency downgrade) caused by GOP reluctance to increase the debt limit, in order to distract from rating agency downgrades based on Democrat deficit spending.

Dems have no hope of running on Obama's record, and no hope of fixing the economy before the next election. Their only hope is to try to get the GOP in the cesspool with them. i.e. "the GOP caused the downgrade because they wouldn't increase the debt limit..." hoping that the public would blame the GOP equally for the ensuing budget chaos that a downgrade would cause.

Expect the Dems to create one mess after another to try to get the GOP just as muddy"

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[fullautovalmet76]

Just read some reports about the apparent deal in the senate. Essentially, things will continue as they were except the changes will be a dog-and-pony-show committee to look at deficit reduction and the commitment to vote on a BBA in both chambers. However, the outcome of the vote on the BBA does not affect the ability of the Obama administration or congress to get us in further debt. In other words they are throwing us a scrap and hoping we'll go for it.

If that is the plan that is approved in the senate, I hope the house rejects. Yes, I know that means we'll "default". I am beginning to believe that some major financial disaster is the only thing that is going to get people to wake up and ACCEPT WE ARE PHUCKING BROKE! AND THIS NONSENSE CAN NOT CONTINUE!