Remember how NDAA "doesn't do that"?

[santahog]

Well, this should be no big deal, right?
Just practicing to take,... Taiwan, Tokyo, Dehli I guess? No LA style cities in the Arab world. Not practicing for military actions on US soil. Never do that..
Hmm..
http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/421-national-security/9606-lapd-in-joint-military-training-exercises-in-downtown-la
Same article repeated on local CBS site here..
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/01/24/lapd-joint-military-drills-in-downtown-la-wont-disrupt-publics-daily-routines/
Long article on Soros here.. Note the 16th or 17th paragraph down.. Just pointing out what the puppet master is saying. That's all..
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/279-82/9602-focus-george-soros-on-the-coming-us-class-war

Folks, just because they're not talking about it.....
With that NDAA business, it's "legal" now..

(I wouldn't mind having that Grenade Launcher the guy in black is carrying in the LA article. I always liked revolvers!)

[tombogan03884]

Have you read the NDAA 2012 ?
JNevis and I have both posted the exact wording several times.
As for "no LA style cities in the Arab world" ?
You don't know what you are talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahrain#Economy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riyadh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshawar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabul

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Dhabi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mogadishu


Even Mogadishu has tall buildings and 2 million people, that isn't  an "LA style city ?

[Magoo541]

I think it may have been the feds flexing their collective muscle after getting their panties all knotted up by Operation Fast and Furious.  Kind of a, "look what we can do if we wanted to...", "...we are MEN-DAMMIT!  Men with fully automatic guns, grenade launchers and helicopters!"

What they should be saying is-  "...80 million gun owners don't stand a chance against...err...what?!? 80 MILLION!?  Oh SH!T!  Retreat...  Run away..."

Remember Tyranny will show up at your door in uniform.

[jnevis]

Having been to Dubai, Jebel Ali, and Manama, over Riyahd, Basra, and Kuwait City they are VERY similar to LA, San Diego, and other cities in arrangement, structures, and population.

and the NDAA DOESN'T make crap legal against a US citizen or legal alien.

[santahog]

Quit yelling at me or I'll call you bad names...

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[Pathfinder]

It's disturbing to watch so many people have bags pulled over their heads, and all they do about it is to deny it's happening and argue about the number of threads in the cloth.

Federal law is large and complex, like a puzzle. And, like a puzzle, a piece here affects the placement of pieces elsewhere. Just because NDAA specifically excludes US citizens, as it appears to, does not mean that another law already on the books, like the so-called Patriot Act or any of the other thousands of laws, or a new law, cannot make it apply to anyone.

The groundwork is being laid, our government is clearly going to war with its own people. Maybe not in a "gun battles in the street" sense, but in the "the .gov runs things and we all better just STFU and live with it" sense - and the US Constitution be damned, according to them. It is happening piecemeal, but it is happening.

[mauler]

It's disturbing to watch so many people have bags pulled over their heads, and all they do about it is to deny it's happening and argue about the number of threads in the cloth.

Federal law is large and complex, like a puzzle. And, like a puzzle, a piece here affects the placement of pieces elsewhere. Just because NDAA specifically excludes US citizens, as it appears to, does not mean that another law already on the books, like the so-called Patriot Act or any of the other thousands of laws, or a new law, cannot make it apply to anyone.

The groundwork is being laid, our government is clearly going to war with its own people. Maybe not in a "gun battles in the street" sense, but in the "the .gov runs things and we all better just STFU and live with it" sense - and the US Constitution be damned, according to them. It is happening piecemeal, but it is happening.

That is a very cogent and eloquent statement.  Even if one buys into the silly idea that NDAA cannot and will not be used against US Citizens, you make an excellent point.

[santahog]

Having been to Dubai, Jebel Ali, and Manama, over Riyahd, Basra, and Kuwait City they are VERY similar to LA, San Diego, and other cities in arrangement, structures, and population.

and the NDAA DOESN'T make crap legal against a US citizen or legal alien.

First, I honestly don't see the occupation of any of these cities as a real possibility, given the attitude of the current administration especially. Beyond that, if we've learned anything over the last 10 years, it's that "occupation of a Muslim city/country without a goal beyond giving islamists somebody to shoot at doesn't accomplish anything. Case in point, the poppy fields are still in bloom in Afganistan and no ones "heart and mind" has been fundamentally changed in Iraq. In Iraq, beyond severely curtailing Husseins ability to pay 10K to each family of a terrorist that blows up in Tel Aviv, all we've accomplished in a geopolitical sense is create a vacuum for Iran to fill there, as predicted before hand..
Maybe Yemen. Maaaybeee Iran, though my understanding of (Bible) prophecy would argue against an effective effort there.
I don't think DoD has any real expectation of orders coming down for that, and I KNOW that the current administration isn't inclined to begin such an endeavor.. I'll bet "Their people have spoken to your people" and you know everything I don't have the capacity to understand...

Second, and of more immediate import to me, I may have an understanding of Chain of Command as experienced as the next guy..
When a joint directive comes from the WH, accompanied by a note pointing to governing authority, to Justice and DoD to collect the guns, for the sake of public safety, I'm sure that the basis for the WH signing statement concerning the NDAAs authority to do anything it bloody well pleases, to whomever it's told to do it to, will have no bearing on on the understanding of the chain of command regarding it's authority to carry out what you so clearly point out as what would be unlawful orders..
Don't believe me? Try this.. Go get yourself pulled over and act like you have something to hide in the car, then tell the Cop that they have no right, per the 4th Ammendment, to search your person or papers without a warrant, regardless of what the SCOTUS says, because they're wrong... Let me know how well the Bill of Rights, or your superior understanding of it protects you. I'll be waiting for that report..
I remember how effective the will of the people was in putting a halt to what was painted as illegal wars. Those never happened, did they.. Why, because some guy with a copy of the Constitution stood on the steps of the WH told them so, and that was that. You remember that one on CNN? No? Soldiers and families lived in peace because of that day.. But it didn't happen that way, did it? (Regardless of your opinion of Iraq.) I'm telling you that the controling authority, the WH, seems to have a different take on what the thing allows, and your opinion or mine won't matter when it shows up at a traffic stop or the front door.
Nobody on site asked a supervisor if what they were doing was legal up in Ruby Ridge or out in Waco, did they? I bet somebody did.. I further bet that they were told the same thing that every other guy who asks that question was told; "Carry out the orders and ask questions afterwards or your career is over. What's it gonna be?".
Nobody here mentioned the possibility that a mortgage was at least as important as an unlawful order. No.
What I'm trying to tell you, and I don't give a fuc*all whether you like it or not, is that when the order is given, not you, not a Colonel looking for his first star, not 10 Senators and 35 Congressmen, not a soldier who never gave a thought to what the Constitution ever said because it never came up in High School, not me, not Ron Paul, not a Company Commander who knows better, not a Sec. of Defense, not an honest man who meets them in the yard and says no, nobody but the God you hate will be able to stop it, once the order is given, untill is is way way way too late for people like you or me, unless, in paying your mortgage, you volunteer to play low level spy on the rest of us, and that will only delay it for a very short time.
You can yell "They can't do that all you want, but it ain't gonna change a thing wieh the time comes..
And you know it...
Now get up out my damn face..


I took a week off from politics, forums, all of this stuff last week. I ended up in one conversation with a medically retired employee of DOJ-BOP, who I went to High School, (Military School) with, who related his reasoning for never being a part of any forum like this or member of any 2A or patriot organization. He told me that Oath Keepers was on a watch list, one step down in priority from the Terrorist Watch List. he will deny saying it if confronted.. Anybody here know a member of Oath Keepers? Communicate with them at all? I do.. Lots of them.. Birch Society is the same way.. Anybody know any of them? I do.. Talk to them weekly..

I'm glad somebody managed to get you to see that it isn't one thing, but one that leads to the other, as long as you get that that's how it works.. It's the latest (public) piece in the puzzle. Think, will you?! It's demonstrated over and over in history that you can take the whole the whole, piece at a time and do it without enough resistance to stop it. The end of the process, however, will create a miniature verson of the problem that taking it bit at a time was designed to eliminate. Taking that last piece is gonna hurt..
How much of what we discuss here on a daily basis would have been even imaginable back in the 50s? the 70s? the 90s? today...
Think about how we got here and stop shooting the damn messenger... Will you, please?..

[tombogan03884]

From Santa's post

"First, I honestly don't see the occupation of any of these cities as a real possibility, given the attitude of the current administration especially

"Occupation" has nothing to do with it Operations like the one the day before yesterday in Mogadishu (Population 2 MILLION )

"it isn't one thing, but one that leads to the other,"

That's useless reasoning, it can be applied to any law. Many use the basic commandment "Thou shalt not kill" to justify gun laws and oppose the death penalty for mass murderers.
There has to be a happy medium.

[Pathfinder]

From Santa's post

"First, I honestly don't see the occupation of any of these cities as a real possibility, given the attitude of the current administration especially

"Occupation" has nothing to do with it Operations like the one the day before yesterday in Mogadishu (Population 2 MILLION )

"it isn't one thing, but one that leads to the other,"

That's useless reasoning, it can be applied to any law. Many use the basic commandment "Thou shalt not kill" to justify gun laws and oppose the death penalty for mass murderers.
There has to be a happy medium.

In dismissing it, you struck the nail on the head, Tom. It is why our legal system has grown so exponentially over the past 50 years, such that no one person will ever understand it.