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Re: Remember how NDAA "doesn't do that"?
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2012, 03:40:19 PM »
On the other hand, by making an exaggerated issue out of you get chaos.
The OP was concerned with a TRAINING operation and amounts to inaccurate , paranoid crap.

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Re: Remember how NDAA "doesn't do that"?
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2012, 05:17:49 PM »
Two non-argumentative things, please..
1. Tom, "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is a misinterpretation of the commandment. It means "Thou Shalt Do No Murder".
2. Path, I honestly don't know what you're trying to get me to understand in your last post.
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Re: Remember how NDAA "doesn't do that"?
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2012, 05:21:01 PM »
Regardless, of NDAA,....

Just some food for thought,....connect the dots...

As I mentioned before, you will start to see the Government accelerate their movements in order to further consolidate power and control over the populace, militarization of LE is just a start.

DHS Seeks Industry Feedback on Draft Proposal for Wide Scale Surveillance in U.S.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/dhs-looks-for-feedback-on-potentially-massive-surveillance-project-on-u-s-soil/

They will use fear and intimidation to show the sheeple they are out-gunned and out-maneuvered,

Federal “Training” Assault on Social Security Office Startles FL Locals
http://www.dailycommercial.com/News/LakeCounty/010412shield

You will see the continued prepping of Civilian Law Enforcement with advanced Military Grade weaponry

Local Cops Ready for War With Homeland Security-Funded Military Weapons
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/20/local-cops-ready-for-war-with-homeland-security-funded-military-weapons.html

Police employ Predator drone spy planes on home front
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec/10/nation/la-na-drone-arrest-20111211

Why the militarization of local police needs to stop
http://www.tgdaily.com/opinion/60457-why-the-militarization-of-local-police-needs-to-stop

And once communications are locked down and dissent controlled,

Government Total Recall On Past Communications
http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/008430.html

Government’s monitoring of social media raises privacy concerns
http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/13/governments-monitoring-of-social-media-raises-privacy-concerns/

Internet Kill Switch – Never Let a Crisis Go to Waste: Egypt Today, USA Tomorrow
http://biggovernment.com/taylorking/2011/01/30/internet-kill-switch-never-let-a-crisis-go-to-waste-egypt-today-usa-tomorrow/

You will see more instances of “Joint” operations throughout the U.S., these operations will not be asked for or run by the State and Local jurisdictions, they will be run by the Military,

U.S. Military/Civilian Law Enforcement Operations
http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/NEWS.html?article=9653697

All we need is a good crisis to bring in the Military… the manpower and structure have already been laid,

U.S. Northern Command (USNORTHCOM)
http://www.northcom.mil/about/index.html

I know what you are saying, Hey we have the Posse Comitatus Act, they can’t do that! Well, that “old” relic of an Act has been severely watered down over the years.

The Myth of Posse Comitatus
http://www.homelandsecurity.org/journal/articles/trebilcock.htm

And now that the Federal Government has “strengthened” their hand by unconstitutionally grabing the power to Kill or Detain a American Citizen, without charges, without trial and without judicial over sight… your Liberty is in peril.

Constitutional Expert: “President Obama … Says That He Can Kill You On His Own Discretion” Without Charge or Trial
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/constitutional-expert-%E2%80%9Cpresident-obama-%E2%80%A6-says-he-can-kill-you-his-own-discretion-without

Stand while you still have the means to effect change.
Thomas Jefferson: The strongest reason for the people to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny of government. That is why our masters in Washington are so anxious to disarm us. They are not afraid of criminals. They are afraid of a populace which cannot be subdued by tyrants."
Col. Jeff Cooper.

tombogan03884

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Re: Remember how NDAA "doesn't do that"?
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2012, 06:14:52 PM »
Regardless, of NDAA,....

Just some food for thought,....connect the dots...

As I mentioned before, you will start to see the Government accelerate their movements in order to further consolidate power and control over the populace, militarization of LE is just a start.

DHS Seeks Industry Feedback on Draft Proposal for Wide Scale Surveillance in U.S.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/dhs-looks-for-feedback-on-potentially-massive-surveillance-project-on-u-s-soil/

They will use fear and intimidation to show the sheeple they are out-gunned and out-maneuvered,

Federal “Training” Assault on Social Security Office Startles FL Locals
http://www.dailycommercial.com/News/LakeCounty/010412shield

You will see the continued prepping of Civilian Law Enforcement with advanced Military Grade weaponry

Local Cops Ready for War With Homeland Security-Funded Military Weapons
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/20/local-cops-ready-for-war-with-homeland-security-funded-military-weapons.html

Police employ Predator drone spy planes on home front
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec/10/nation/la-na-drone-arrest-20111211

Why the militarization of local police needs to stop
http://www.tgdaily.com/opinion/60457-why-the-militarization-of-local-police-needs-to-stop

And once communications are locked down and dissent controlled,

Government Total Recall On Past Communications
http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/008430.html

Government’s monitoring of social media raises privacy concerns
http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/13/governments-monitoring-of-social-media-raises-privacy-concerns/

Internet Kill Switch – Never Let a Crisis Go to Waste: Egypt Today, USA Tomorrow
http://biggovernment.com/taylorking/2011/01/30/internet-kill-switch-never-let-a-crisis-go-to-waste-egypt-today-usa-tomorrow/

You will see more instances of “Joint” operations throughout the U.S., these operations will not be asked for or run by the State and Local jurisdictions, they will be run by the Military,

U.S. Military/Civilian Law Enforcement Operations
http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/NEWS.html?article=9653697

All we need is a good crisis to bring in the Military… the manpower and structure have already been laid,

U.S. Northern Command (USNORTHCOM)
http://www.northcom.mil/about/index.html

I know what you are saying, Hey we have the Posse Comitatus Act, they can’t do that! Well, that “old” relic of an Act has been severely watered down over the years.

The Myth of Posse Comitatus
http://www.homelandsecurity.org/journal/articles/trebilcock.htm

And now that the Federal Government has “strengthened” their hand by unconstitutionally grabing the power to Kill or Detain a American Citizen, without charges, without trial and without judicial over sight… your Liberty is in peril.

Constitutional Expert: “President Obama … Says That He Can Kill You On His Own Discretion” Without Charge or Trial
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/constitutional-expert-%E2%80%9Cpresident-obama-%E2%80%A6-says-he-can-kill-you-his-own-discretion-without

Stand while you still have the means to effect change.

And darn near every single one of those was cheered by the public as "a new weapon in the war on drugs".
By the way, you missed RICO, and Forfeiture laws.


Two non-argumentative things, please..
1. Tom, "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is a misinterpretation of the commandment. It means "Thou Shalt Do No Murder".
2. Path, I honestly don't know what you're trying to get me to understand in your last post.
Joe

Yes, You and I know that, just like "Thou shall not suffer a witch to live" is actually a death sentence for poisoners.
But how many others know that ?
In fact, it makes it's use even more appropriate in the post you got it from.

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Re: Remember how NDAA "doesn't do that"?
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2012, 07:41:44 PM »
Regardless, of NDAA,....

Just some food for thought,....connect the dots...

As I mentioned before, you will start to see the Government accelerate their movements in order to further consolidate power and control over the populace, militarization of LE is just a start.

DHS Seeks Industry Feedback on Draft Proposal for Wide Scale Surveillance in U.S.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/dhs-looks-for-feedback-on-potentially-massive-surveillance-project-on-u-s-soil/

They will use fear and intimidation to show the sheeple they are out-gunned and out-maneuvered,

Federal “Training” Assault on Social Security Office Startles FL Locals
http://www.dailycommercial.com/News/LakeCounty/010412shield

You will see the continued prepping of Civilian Law Enforcement with advanced Military Grade weaponry

Local Cops Ready for War With Homeland Security-Funded Military Weapons
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/20/local-cops-ready-for-war-with-homeland-security-funded-military-weapons.html

Police employ Predator drone spy planes on home front
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec/10/nation/la-na-drone-arrest-20111211

Why the militarization of local police needs to stop
http://www.tgdaily.com/opinion/60457-why-the-militarization-of-local-police-needs-to-stop

And once communications are locked down and dissent controlled,
...
U.S. Military/Civilian Law Enforcement Operations
http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/NEWS.html?article=9653697


OK since you're sounding like an anti-
If the police can't have access to former military equipment why should you?

We'll start with the easy ones:
1911, AR-15, M1A....
SAA, Sharps....
Night sights, red dot optics,...

How about:
microwave ovens (designed as an offshoot of radar)
the Internet (developed by DARPA, look up ARPANET)
your computer
GPS
Cell phones

I know what you are saying, Hey we have the Posse Comitatus Act, they can’t do that! Well, that “old” relic of an Act has been severely watered down over the years.

The Myth of Posse Comitatus
http://www.homelandsecurity.org/journal/articles/trebilcock.htm

What the author fails to mention is that military may be deployed they do not have arrest powers over US citizens.  They can detain an individual breaking the law but cannot charge them, they must be arrested and charged by LE.  As an example, while at Lemoore if I found a civilian DUI I could only hold them for Highway Patrol or the Sheriffs Office.  Katrina had a laarge scale deployment in a disaster situation but none of the military personnel could actually arrest someone, they had to turn them over to LE. 

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And now that the Federal Government has “strengthened” their hand by unconstitutionally grabing the power to Kill or Detain a American Citizen, without charges, without trial and without judicial over sight… your Liberty is in peril.

Where do you get that?  Infowars?  Ron Paul?

When seconds mean the difference between life and death, the police will be minutes away.

You are either SOLVING the problem, or you ARE the problem.

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Re: Remember how NDAA "doesn't do that"?
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Re: Remember how NDAA "doesn't do that"?
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2012, 07:55:08 PM »

OK since you're sounding like an anti-
If the police can't have access to former military equipment why should you?

We'll start with the easy ones:
1911, AR-15, M1A....
SAA, Sharps....
Night sights, red dot optics,...

How about:
microwave ovens (designed as an offshoot of radar)
the Internet (developed by DARPA, look up ARPANET)
your computer
GPS
Cell phones

What the author fails to mention is that military may be deployed they do not have arrest powers over US citizens.  They can detain an individual breaking the law but cannot charge them, they must be arrested and charged by LE.  As an example, while at Lemoore if I found a civilian DUI I could only hold them for Highway Patrol or the Sheriffs Office.  Katrina had a laarge scale deployment in a disaster situation but none of the military personnel could actually arrest someone, they had to turn them over to LE. 

Where do you get that?  Infowars?  Ron Paul?



The really sad thing J is that a crack head, would actually have gotten it the 3rd or 4th time we posted the damn thing , the ones that can read any way.    :-\

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Re: Remember how NDAA "doesn't do that"?
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2012, 05:06:08 AM »
And now that the Federal Government has “strengthened” their hand by unconstitutionally grabing the power to Kill or Detain a American Citizen, without charges, without trial and without judicial over sight… your Liberty is in peril.

Where do you get that?  Infowars?  Ron Paul?

The "taking out" of Al-Awaki was a pretty big national story,....

I don't mind the po-po utilizing better equip. They have been under-gunned for decades. The diff is the discipline and structure of the training, tactics, and ego's involved.







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Col. Jeff Cooper.

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Re: Remember how NDAA "doesn't do that"?
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2012, 11:02:06 AM »
And now that the Federal Government has “strengthened” their hand by unconstitutionally grabing the power to Kill or Detain a American Citizen, without charges, without trial and without judicial over sight… your Liberty is in peril.

Where do you get that?  Infowars?  Ron Paul?

The "taking out" of Al-Awaki was a pretty big national story,....

I don't mind the po-po utilizing better equip. They have been under-gunned for decades. The diff is the discipline and structure of the training, tactics, and ego's involved.









Problem isn't that the police have adequate weapons.  The problem is that they have them and have the attitude their function is to ride roughshod on the civilian population  And that attitude is what is being fed by actions that make them believe there "beat" is a war zone and military tactics and authority are valid SOP for dealing with the populace.


What is also interesting is that the Powers That Be do nothing to nip the criminal element in the bud...with strong sentencing, stopping illegal immigration, etc., but, instead, work to make the honest citizen defenseless while giving the local police the equipment and training and conditioning to handle military style operations against any civilian opposition to the government.
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Re: Remember how NDAA "doesn't do that"?
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2012, 11:32:42 AM »
And now that the Federal Government has “strengthened” their hand by unconstitutionally grabing the power to Kill or Detain a American Citizen, without charges, without trial and without judicial over sight… your Liberty is in peril.

Where do you get that?  Infowars?  Ron Paul?

The "taking out" of Al-Awaki was a pretty big national story,....

I don't mind the po-po utilizing better equip. They have been under-gunned for decades. The diff is the discipline and structure of the training, tactics, and ego's involved.


It was also several months before the NDAA that several are erroneously shrieking about here.
After reading some of the strident crap posted here I find it hilarious, and quite hypocritical to go back and read the sh!t I took about saying that whacking Al-Awaki with out trial was wrong.


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Re: Remember how NDAA "doesn't do that"?
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2012, 10:50:09 PM »
It was also several months before the NDAA that several are erroneously shrieking about here.
After reading some of the strident crap posted here I find it hilarious, and quite hypocritical to go back and read the sh!t I took about saying that whacking Al-Awaki with out trial was wrong.
You didn't get any from me, as I recall, but the silly bastard didn't get mistreated when he deployed himself to the battlefield to shoot at American Soldiers. They killed his ass just like they would have any other SOB stupid enough to pull that kind of crap.. He volunteered for the post. Nobody forced him..
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