Pincus on Sub-Compact 1911's

[MikeBjerum]

I respect a lot of what RP says and teaches, but like all others that speak to the public you need to look at the full picture.  Rob attacks the sub-compact 1911, and specifically the Kimber.  He not only went after them on facebook, but he made a youtube video of his dislike.  But he also does not like ANY 1911, and he has posted that in the past.  As I recall he bleeds Glock.

I was thinking the same earlier this evening while watching a shooting show.  We have a debate going on about laser sighting on another thread.  There was a professional shooter who just happens to be sponsored by a laser sight company.  He promotes laser sights in both commercials and in his "how to" segments.  Do you think that his paycheck might affect his opinion of laser sights?

When choosing any product listen to the experts, but think!  God gave us all brains, and if we don't use them it is our own fault.

[Paraguy]

Another issue with the short barreled 1911s is the bull barrel.  I can strip and clean a full size very quickly and easily, but a bull barrel is no small task, and one that requires a tiny Allen wrench.  Here is a video of what is involved:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO-7ZEEQF-g&feature=related

[Timothy]

When choosing any product listen to the experts, but think!

What constitutes an expert?

I've been doing my thing for nearly 30 years and I don't consider myself an expert!  Some of these so called "experts" are legends in their own minds....

[tombogan03884]

Personally I don't care for "undersize" 1911's either, but it is based on feel .
If Kimber builds such a crappy product I have to ask, why do they sell so many guns ?

[MikeBjerum]

Another issue with the short barreled 1911s is the bull barrel.  I can strip and clean a full size very quickly and easily, but a bull barrel is no small task, and one that requires a tiny Allen wrench.  Here is a video of what is involved:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO-7ZEEQF-g&feature=related

Do it more, and you'll get used to it!  I have the same system on my STI Eagle 5.5 2011.  I make the tool out of paperclips, and I use the same one on s-il's Kimber Ultra Pro (in the video the leg that goes in the hole is too long, and that is why he has troubles).  I actually tear my 1911's down the same way because it is easier once you get used to it.

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[PegLeg45]

I saw this on another forum and managed to resist posting on it there - but I can't let it slide twice.

This is about choosing the wrong weapon for the task at hand.  What Rob is teaching is essentially a combat handgun course where hundreds (to thousands) of rounds go through the gun in a very short time.  Sub-compact 1911s (or any other sub-compact) are notoriously hard on recoil springs and many manufacturers recommend changing them at some ridiculous (300 rounds?) interval.  It is like taking your 12" chain saw to a lumberjack competition.  Wrong tool for the event.

A well maintained sub-compact is a perfectly viable self defense weapon.  That doesn't mean that it is the tool for post-apocalyptic street clearing activities.

A handgun is a tool.  If you are going to use it, it is your responsibility to know how it works, maintain it, and know how to use it.

I think Rob would better served to advise his students before they show up that the sub-compact is not the right tool for his course.

+1

[ellis4538]

I have and carry a lightly modified Colt Officers ACP.  I shoot IDPA with it sometimes.  It is very controllable and easy to shoot even with SD ammo.  If I were taking a SD class I would use it for a while and switch to a full size later.  Probably switch to other guns during the class also just to get additional time with them under pressure.  If I had a Glock I would use it to but not exclusively!  Nothing wrong with compact and sub-compact anything in the right situation!

JMHOFWIW

Richard

[philw]

so he is not a fan of Sub-Compact's    gotcha

[MikeBjerum]

so he is not a fan of Sub-Compact's    gotcha

As I said earlier, he is not a fan of 1911's period!  He has posted several times that he is tired of people bringing 1911's to the class.

[Solus]

Well, you would have to admit that with the number of rounds reportedly being fired at his training, the 1911 users would get plenty of practice reloading over the course of the event.