Bob Barr Exploring Presidential Run as Libertarian

[tombogan03884]

Ron, in 1776 our forefathers were faced with a similar choice, bad or worse, and if We the people have Any HONOR and courage left it is our Duty, in recognition of the benifits THEIR sactafice gained for us to continue their Revolution, and guard closely the rights they ENUMERATED for us. To take the "Easy path, because the RIGHT path is dangerous and difficult is lazy, dishonorable and cowardly

[Hazcat]

Nope.

BTW my vote will not get him or Hillary elected.  The people that vote for them will.

[Ron J]

Tom:

First, please understand that I enjoy your on-line company in this forum and certainly do not want to insult or disparage you.  I simply disagree. 

But let me see if I understand you.  You think we should make the “path” more difficult by choosing someone who will be the most extreme case of the worst of two evils?  You think that stopping McCain … who at this time is the only viable candidate that can beat Obama … and thus allowing Obama to win … will help the rights that our founding fathers fought for?  I disagree.  Obama is so much more a threat to our freedoms and way of life than McCain will ever be.  We may not like McCain but we know we can’t have Obama. 

Put it another way, do you think that if Madison or Jefferson were here today that they would say, “Hell ya’ Tommy!  Let’s make this a lot more difficult than it has to be and elect that Obami chap!”??  I think the path they would take … as we should … is one of common sense and that is grabbing a clothes pin and voting for McCain because it means stopping Obama. 

This election is not so much as to whom you want but more to what you can live with or what you don’t want.  With no viable 3rd party.  No revolution in the forecast.  Better chance of lightning or flying monkeys than the Jimmy Ray solution … and then you are stuck with his VP or Lord help us, Ms. Pelosi.  It leaves us with two choices.  Obama or McCain.  For me, I don’t like McCain but I really don’t want to see Obama as President. 


Haz,
To say the people that voted for him got him elected is only half of the equation to this process. To that other half, if you would rather have Obama than McCain, it’s your call. 

[Bill Stryker]

RonJ,
I'm with you. You have it right.

[Hazcat]

This country is strong enough to withstand 4 years of BHO or HRC.  The Republic will not crumble.

Yes, there will be consequences that we will have to fight (SCOTUS appointments for one) but we need to make a stand.  The powers that be need to get a shock, so like the old saying goes ..."If not now, when?"

And one last time,  there is no "other half of the equation".  My vote goes to whom a vote FOR, not to whom I do not.  "You bought vanilla ice cream?  You must want chocolate to be discontinued!"  BS, I bought vanilla because that is what I want, chocolate was not part of the decision other than I did not want it.

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[Ron J]

Haz, 

Can the Republic handle Bro’O?  Sure. 

But wouldn’t we the people have less stress and decay with McCain than Obama?  Why put up with Obama if you don’t have to?  We know that McCain is a RINO.  But we also know that Obama is a Marxist asshole that will without a single doubt work with a democratic senate and house to bend your 2nd Amendment rights over.  What degree of hell do you want? 

Haz, letting Obama get elected because we have some perverse idea that this will serve as an “object lesson” to the Republic is like playing “Russian Roulette” to show someone that it is a bad form of gun safety. 

Your ice cream analogy is not on the mark either.  Products get discontinued when their sales fall under par.  Same with candidates and elections.  Candidates that don’t make the sell or get the votes get discontinued too.   

Back to the question.  You want one or two scoops of Obama?   

[Hazcat]

Ron,

You're right that unsold products get discontinued.  We (conservatives) have no voice in the Libs products but we do have a voice in our products.  If we continue to buy shoddy goods then don't expect the company to improve them.

[Ron J]

Haz,

For the most part, I agree with you 100%.  We do have a voice in the candidates and if we don't like them, we need to speak out. 

But I disagree with the premise that if we don’t like McCain 100%, then we vote for some 3rd party candidate that doesn’t have a prayer in winning or check “box four” as Jesse Venture suggested and vote for none of the above.  Either of these scenarios, no matter how noble they are intended will get Obama elected.  Whether it is four years or eight, it's going to be some rough road for American with Obama as our president. 

We have a say in the “product” or candidate from our parties and we don’t have to except a “shoddy product” or candidate.   But what happens in four to eight years when the next conservative “savior” that we have been painfully waiting for gets hit by an ice cream truck?  What if we (again) have a candidate that we can’t agree 100% with?  We need to wait another four to eight years to get the “product” or candidate we can agree 100% with? 

In principle, I agree with you. But in practice and for this election, we need to stop Obama and what he represents NOW. We can’t let his Marxist agenda gain any momentum.  We have to work with what we have because it is for the greater good that Obama is not our next president. 

[tombogan03884]

Tom:

First, please understand that I enjoy your on-line company in this forum and certainly do not want to insult or disparage you.  I simply disagree. 

But let me see if I understand you.  You think we should make the “path” more difficult by choosing someone who will be the most extreme case of the worst of two evils?  You think that stopping McCain … who at this time is the only viable candidate that can beat Obama … and thus allowing Obama to win … will help the rights that our founding fathers fought for?  I disagree.  Obama is so much more a threat to our freedoms and way of life than McCain will ever be.  We may not like McCain but we know we can’t have Obama. 

Put it another way, do you think that if Madison or Jefferson were here today that they would say, “Hell ya’ Tommy!  Let’s make this a lot more difficult than it has to be and elect that Obami chap!”??  I think the path they would take … as we should … is one of common sense and that is grabbing a clothes pin and voting for McCain because it means stopping Obama. 

This election is not so much as to whom you want but more to what you can live with or what you don’t want.  With no viable 3rd party.  No revolution in the forecast.  Better chance of lightning or flying monkeys than the Jimmy Ray solution … and then you are stuck with his VP or Lord help us, Ms. Pelosi.  It leaves us with two choices.  Obama or McCain.  For me, I don’t like McCain but I really don’t want to see Obama as President. 


Haz,
To say the people that voted for him got him elected is only half of the equation to this process. To that other half, if you would rather have Obama than McCain, it’s your call. 

The whole purpose of "the net" and this sight is the free exchange of ideas,so no offense is taken. (If you have some good sarcastic comments I will probably steal them for later use )
 My reasoning is that the US is going through an identity crisis, some of us want to remain true to the beleifs of the Founding Fathers, Self relience, minimal Govt interference with the individual, etc. Some think the country should become a socialist dreamland where the Govt. manages every thing you do or think from cradle to grave. Eventualy we will need to draw a line and say "No more". Considering the way the liberal education system perverts history and brainwashes students, and the MSM lies, and twists the truth to advance their socialist agenda, it is my opinion that the sooner we bring the debate to a head the better our chances of restoring things like common sense, and personal responsibility.
I will point out that in the early days of the Heller case BOTH SIDES were advised not to pursue it to the Supreme Court, because there was to much at risk. Well, they DID pursue it and it's looking like we may get a win.
The sooner we settle the question of "is this America, or Europe 2.0" the sooner we can move onto solving BIG  real  problems like Energy dependence, and decaying infra structure.

[Ron J]

Tom!

I agree with you, Haz and others a 100%.  Our country must get back on track.  I have had enough of the fiscal and moral decay too. 

To this, it is my contention is that we will face far more harm with Barack Hussein Muhammed Obama as president than any possible harm that McCain (or even … Lord help me … Hillary!) could stir up. 

In other words, B-Ho is a danger where McCain is really just an annoyance.  Everybody has different levels of when they have been “annoyed” enough and then they become righteously pissed off.  Despite having lived in AZ for almost six years, I haven't reached it with McCain ... yet.  All the same, better to be annoyed with McCain four years than in danger with Obama for four or maybe eight years.  As well, we can't negate the possible momentum the left agenda will gain should we allow their foot in the door. 

We need to say "NO" to B-HO!