Bob Barr Exploring Presidential Run as Libertarian

[ericire12]

With friends like McCain........

If you vote for a third party candidate, then you might as well just stay home.

[Rastus]

If you vote for a third party candidate, then you might as well just stay home.

Once again, desire to be a lemming or the joy of being led by the nose to vote against a "scary candidate" no longer motivates me. 

Per my previous post:
"Fear of B-HO will not drive me to vote for McCain.  Pundits will not drive me to vote for McCain.  The current politics have pushed me to this position....I understand why fear drives my 80 year old mother to vote for McCain, but I am not yet so frail and fearful.

McCain must convince me to vote for McCain."

[ericire12]

Per my previous post:
No offense, but you are still wasting your vote as much as if you were to do a write in vote for Jesus Christ. If you vote for a third party candidate and not for one with a viable chance of winning, then the bottom line is that you are casting a vote for Obama. Look, I want Reagan to be able to have another term as president as much as anyone else on this forum, but I don't think he is going to be able to serve.

The reality of the situation is that no politician out there is worth a damn, and every election is a choice between the lesser of two evils. The only realistic thing you can do is to try to elect the most conservative person to office, and then try as best as you can to hold his feet to the fire once elected.   

[Hazcat]

Nice defeatist attitude.  Why don't you just turn in your guns now?

[Teresa Heilevang]

Nice defeatist attitude.  Why don't you just turn in your guns now?

I love ya to death honey.. but I have to go nose to nose with you on this one.
 It is NOT a defeatist  attitude.
It is an attitude of "playing the game smart" and trying to defeat the ones who have promised if they get in office, that they are for sure going to plant our asses 8 foot under.

I'm all for standing on the front lines to fight..but by god I want a little bit of the elected President to be a conservative gun person..who will at least maybe let me have my gun to fight with.
 

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[tombogan03884]

I love ya to death honey.. but I have to go nose to nose with you on this one.
 It is NOT a defeatist  attitude.
It is an attitude of "playing the game smart" and trying to defeat the ones who have promised if they get in office, that they are for sure going to plant our asses 8 foot under.

I'm all for standing on the front lines to fight..but by god I want a little bit of the elected President to be a conservative gun person..who will at least maybe let me have my gun to fight with.

I'm with Haz and Rastus. The only ones who LET me have ANYTHING  were the guys who signed the Declarition of Independance and the Constitution of The United States, Everything else I have (Except the cool Ruger shirt) I have had to work my ass off to get. I don't care who gets elected, they can pass all the laws they want, If you hear that MY guns have been confiscated send flowers as I'm dead.
I enjoy indoor plumbing, sleeping indoors in winter and the other amenities of civilization, but I will not trade my pride, self respect, and principles for mere comfort. There are worse things than death.

[Pathfinder]

All of this discussion is exactly why I posted in the first place. As Rastus noted, McCain has yet to even try to make us comfortable. Granted, he was the only candidate to speak at the NRA Show, but he made no commitments as I understand.

I had originally asked MB if, from his role with the Huckabee campaign he had any clout with the RNC, could we get some reassurances from McCain. His proven track record is scary, and the silence from the man and the RNC is deafening - they want exactly what is happening - the dumbocrats are tearing themselves apart, and McCain needs to say very little controversial to benefit.

I will muddy the water a tad here, or will muddy it more. Remember, the 'rats are masters of the vote fraud. Kerry scored the highest popular vote turnout in US history with one exception, the man who beat him. Diluting the republican vote will cause b-ho to be elected. It stinks, it is not right, but that is the way it is.

Which makes it all the more important that we look to Congress and voting our consciences there too.

[Rastus]

I love ya to death honey.......

....who will at least maybe let me have my gun to fight with.

Marshal'ette, this is the greatest website and I appreciate the work you and your husband put into keeping this thing going as I also appreciate the sponsorship of Mr. Bane.  I know, without a doubt, we all want the same thing and that we all, each and everyone of us, feel deeply and passionately about the 2nd Ammenment.  But, unless you mispoke in the heat of the moment, your quote may sum up our trek down the "rabbit hole" that I am so concerned with.

Power is always given by the people in any government, even Marxists governments.  Leaders are able to misuse power because their are not enough people willing to exercise their power.  It is the populace's recognition they have the power that used to set U.S. apart from Europe....not the paper on which the ideals are enumerated on, the Constitution.  The Constitution is our "reference" by which we agree to be governed.

What does it say for us to feel the need to require some agreement or permission to exercise freedom?

[Hazcat]

Kudos to Tom and Rastus.

I will not give my approval to 'the lesser'.  My convictions, my bond, my word, my character and my 'line in the sand' dictate that I cannnot.

M'ette, I love you too babe but politics is not a game.  It affects or tries to, way to much of my life to call it a game.  It is a contest or a war if they push, on how much freedom I am willing to give up for the'greater good'.

[Rastus]

And yes, it really says a lot for ya'll that I haven't gotten kicked off the board.  Other boards would have treated me like MB get's treated!  Thank you for letting me speak out! 

Not to change the subject....but the boys and I did get to shoot MG's at USSA yesterday.  $6 for 20 rounds in an AK, $10 for 50 rounds of 9MM in an Uzi or Sten gun...$12 for 20 rounds of .223 in and HK or M-16...CHEAP! ! ! !  I ended up spending over $150 yesterday...but I do have 3 boys and how can you put a price on a huge grin?