Bob Barr Exploring Presidential Run as Libertarian

[Pathfinder]

One last shot. This from today's news reports, specifically from the American Spectator:

http://www.theamericanprowler.com/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13354

FTA: In condemning the Bush administration's bellicose stance toward Tehran, the Libertarian presidential candidate was joined at a Capitol Hill press conference by a liberal roster that included Democratic Reps. Lynn Woolsey and Barbara Lee of California, Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas and Marcy Kaptur of Ohio. There was even an appearance by a contingent of activists from Code Pink, the distaff demonstrators infamous for their disruptive tactics.

One needs to be careful who your friends and associates are. Barr is toast as far as I am concerned, more over than Hitlery even.

[tombogan03884]

One last shot. This from today's news reports, specifically from the American Spectator:

http://www.theamericanprowler.com/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13354

FTA: In condemning the Bush administration's bellicose stance toward Tehran, the Libertarian presidential candidate was joined at a Capitol Hill press conference by a liberal roster that included Democratic Reps. Lynn Woolsey and Barbara Lee of California, Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas and Marcy Kaptur of Ohio. There was even an appearance by a contingent of activists from Code Pink, the distaff demonstrators infamous for their disruptive tactics.

One needs to be careful who your friends and associates are. Barr is toast as far as I am concerned, more over than Hitlery even.

Bummer, but anyway it is more important for us to tell the dems we don't want any of their socialism in a BIG way, THEN work on keeping McCain on track.

[Ron J]

The combined IQ at that conference must have been in the negative range.  If I recall, I don't think that the "Lee Girls" can even feed themselves. 

Barr may have strong 2nd Amendment values ... but as a wise man once said (?!?), he is a "surrender monkey".  Having someone weak on national defense is a major derailer to the 2008 Presidential election.  Libertarians and their laissez-faire stance do not allow for a safe America. 

This is because radical Islam, who has been in the business of killing for Allah and Uncle Mo for CENTURIES is getting stronger.  Sure, it’s only 10 million+ or so of total Islam that follows the nut jobs with the AK’s … but that’s a boat load of whack jobs that want to Sharia law to your zip code … or kill you trying. 

I will not be subjugated to Islam under ANY circumstance.  I will not vote for anyone that is weak on taking the fight to Islam like Barr or Paul.   

We need to put McCain in the White House and then hold him accountable for the conservative values that he preaches. 

[brosometal]

I had to play a little catch up here to see where this thread has meandered to, and I have deduced some conclusions from what people have said.  Then I wrote a song about it. Wanna hear it? Here it goes.

1. Almost to a person, everyone here believes that McCain is a poor candidate at best

2. Some would like to send a message to the RNC: dance with what brung ya!

3. Some are deathly afraid of a possible Obama Presidency

4. That Presidency would instantly turn to the Jack-booted thugs department to confiscate the guns of law abiding citizens.

5. Boy are there some passionate, pissed off people!

6. Votes for one person can count for another person

7. Fear and loathing in the USA.

8. Typing can change peoples minds.

9. Bob Barr is a surrender monkey that almost wore pink to his last press conference.

10. Obama has big ears, smokes, hangs out with Leftist terrorist, Marxist, gives a great speech if he can see the teleprompter, might be a closet Muslim, and looks funny riding a bike with a helmet and low air in the back tire. (I just threw the last one in there  to make it an even ten, but you should really look for the bike picture.  It's a hoot)


Now that is a nice buffet.  Pick and choose to fill up your plate. Here is how I see it:

1. McCain is McCain. He is not a conservative.  He is an opportunist.  He is looking for the people that don't identify with a party.  Not being beholden to any party will, in his mind, put him above the fray (despite what it will do to the country).  That being said, his policies will put us in the same boat as Obama.  Just a bit higher on the boat (the sinking boat).

2. The RNC has and will move further to left if they continue winning.  Your vote is assured 'cause they are running against a scarier guy.  The RNC has no reason to respond to conservatives.  They just need to be less scary than the Democrat running.

3. Obama is an empty suit.  Said it before.  Will continue to reiterate ad nausea.  The man is Jimmy Carter with a messiah complex. 


http://youtube.com/watch?v=eI5Eo9OMSgU   Just a microcosm of his inability.

4. There are several people here in law enforcement.  How many here would abide if such orders are given.  A possible but highly unlikely scenario.  Does the evil government know about all your guns? "No officer Jackboot. I was robbed last week"

5. I believe this goes with out comment needed

6. I still am working out the math.  There is a large flow chart and a couple of dead folks showed me their voters registration cards. but I still don't get the vote switcheroo deal. "McCain still has to convince me to vote for McCain." Simple math there.  It is McCain's to win or lose not the voters who do or do not vote for him.

7. Kind of another space filler but not really.  America is great because of Americans, not the people they elect.  We are the best nation on earth, bar none.  We need not fear.  We can defeat what ever comes our way (please refer to Communism, Nazism et. al.)  Both parties and the President were all set for amnesty.  What happened there? the defense rests.

8. Here on this forum we are bouncing ideas off each other much like our founding fathers.  News Flash, I could take a leave of absence from work and type non stop with my side of the argument here and never change Ron J's mind.  The inverse is also true (but I may be swayed with bribes of ammo or beer.  Hint Hint.)  We are better for our discussion, and what is going to happen is going to happen despite it.

9. This is the 4 ton elephant in the room that keeps my voter registration marked with an R.  As dilapidated as the RNC is they, for the most part, still understand a national defense.  As I have stated before the true argument in America should be between the Libertarians and the Republicans about the role of government.  Pandering to Leftist to get publicity shows the futility of the Libertarians present foreign policy.

10. Laugh dammit!  While this election has a lot at stake, we can still have a good time.  With that here is the Obama bicycle pic

 

[brosometal]

The Obama bike pic didn't show.  Just google Obama, Bicycle, picture and then laugh.

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[Ron J]

My friend, that was one of the best posts I have read in a long time.  Let me get up and running with my new job and I will see about the ammo and beer (and I'll throw in some cigars too)!

I think we have to make the Republican party listen.  The alternative is not pretty. 

Lastly, I think Mr. Bane said it best when he quoted someone that said  .... "I love my country more than I hate John McCain".

[tombogan03884]

                                     Vote McCain, Better an A hole than B - Ho

[Rastus]

                                     Vote McCain, Better an A hole than B - Ho

Clothespins for everyone!

[DDMac]

Brosometal, regarding #4, I have seen law enforcement do some very un-American things in the name of emergency powers. Best example would be gun confiscations during Hurricane Katrina. Nope, I was not there for that one, but some here were.  There are incremental takings. Taxes, microstamping mandates, ballistic databases, import bans, re-classifications to NFA, how about the lifelong ban on possession if your youthful argument with your wife of 30 years resulted in a misdemeanor domestic violence guilty plea? Then there are the Biggies that make front page news. Bloomberg, Daley, and damn near everybody in California plot every morning how they can finesse away your ability to resist their will. Did you know that Obama staffers have officially visited the Chicago ATF Division Office, met with those in charge of enforcement policy, and identified key advisory employees? You must know there are droves of management bureaucrats who would do whatever was asked to curry favor with the White House. Moving up from ATF to Main Justice require such connections.

The concern is very real, and cops do follow orders, just like soldiers. Independent thinking is neither required, desired or permitted. Just that simple.
Mac.

 

[brosometal]

DD Mack,

I understand that #4 is a real possibility.  I also understand that soldiers/police follow orders.  There are many factors that control the modern arena of ideas.  In the early '90's there was Ruby Ridge then Waco.  Ruby Ridge put many on notice without a lot of attention, then there was Waco.  Several alarms went off then.  Now the leftist mainstream media does not have a strangle hold on information.  With the decentralization of information sharing via the internet, evil hate radio, and blogs back door channels are harder to use.  I once again refer to the shamnesty deal.  Another example would be some of the faked photos when Israel and Hammas had their donnybrook.  Michelle Malkin and the Pajama Media blew most of those pics wide open as fakes.  We the People are harder to throw one by, especially if we are looking for it.  Last presidential election Kerry avoided the 2nd Amendment minefield because it was just that.  Time is early.  Obama was easing through the primary until the Godfather (Rush Limbaugh) began Operation Chaos.  He as only won a couple of primaries the last couple of months. McCain, if he is smart, (jury's still out) could hammer him on the 2nd amendment alone and win in a landslide despite protest votes like mine.  Keep the faith brother.