Watch this YouTube video and tell us what you would do?

[Tyler Durden]

Hi there folks,

Yeah, watch this YouTube video and tell me/us what you would do if anything?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYOtH4XNw6U&feature=related

This is my first out in the open post.  I don't mean to be too controversial, so if you all don't mind, be kinda civil in your responses.

I am from ILL-annoyed near St. Louis and we don't have legal CCW.

What would you do?

If you were a bystander?

If you were the cell phone guy?

If you were CCW'ing legally?

If you have $30 K laying around for a defense fund (LOL!... well... kinda  )?

What say you?

Thanks,

PS:  Any dial upper's here have any problems with the size of my avatar, please let me know.  I don't know if the forum software automatically resizes it.  Thanks!

[Pathfinder]

Welcome to this site. Interesting post, scary to watch all of the people just standing around watching this go down.

I think I would have called 911 the minute she called for help - and then gotten the hell out of Dodge. Personal defense means getting away from crap as much as it does pulling a CCW. Besides, no justification since he was not attacking anyone other than the one guy.

4 years for this assault by a prior felon?    Time to clean the gene pool.

[Hazcat]

Tyler,

Both links in your sig line go to same vid.

[ellis4538]

I watched something similar before I had my cell phone.  It was scary watching someone getting pulled partially out of a car window and getting the s--t beat out of them and the driver not doing anything to get away.

Richard

[jnevis]

Calling 911 and leaving is definitely a good choice, getting a good description of the attacker and his GF and vehicle if possible.

 I would disagree about the CCW issue as there is a very good chance that the victim runs a high risk of permanent bodily injury or death.  There is the "fear of death" question and the self defense and defense of others decision that has to be made.  Just because the combatants are unarmed (and there isn't a guarantee that the attacker wasn't armed in some way-pocket knife visible in pocket, loose clothing hiding a pistol ect-not visible to camera but possibly to someone in the room) and similar in size does not mean that death isn't possible.  Lots of blows to the head and not a lot of fighting back or defense.

 A lot of places the reason people get CCW permits is to defend themselves or family, doesn't that extend to someone you don't know that is being attacked?  Some of these "active shooters" have been stopped by laypersons or off duty LEOs with a CCW but they weren't in the direct line of attack.  Another example of the mental defect that LEO, Fire, EMS, and military personnel have is we tend to go towards chaos instead of away from it.

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[gunman1911]

Tyler welcome to the forum with a great  post, you are probably looking at this at a civilian CCW side of things where you MAT be justified in pulling your Roscoe, it depends if you are about half his size and in fear of yours or the mans life and how many bystanders are willing to be your witness( does not look like to many) Lessons to be learned )1 Do not write a check with you mouth you ass can't cash.)2 patience is virtue and can save you from a whoopin. ) When she is gone ask the manager (who saw her cut in line) why he did not do anything about it.)4 With all those people in line is one more going to make that much of a difference.)5 after being assaulted call 911 like the manager should have in the first place. He got 4 years as a prior felon, if I was the judge I would have given him 4 years for each punch. As a Leo. get out side,  Call for back up, announced myself,  then Maybe I may have to pull down on him depending on how he( and maybe how Bertha) are going to react. Then make the arrest, go fill out the paper work go back and get my pizza.

Why go outside? All thise pepole and you ae going to pull a gun and maybe get in a fight for it and a innocent get hurt. Bad bad bad.

Last of all , when he seen thing are going to get bad....go some place else and get your pizza....FAST.

[Tyler Durden]

Haz Cat wrote:

Tyler,

Both links in your sig line go to same vid.

Thank you SIR!

I went ahead and fixed that.

I have floated that youtube video around on a few other forums in threads I have started.  It is interesting to read people's comments on that situation.

So far there have actually been quite a few posters who said that the cell phone guy mouthed off to the Crazy Woman.

I have watched that video several times... and there is no way in heck that cell phone guy said anything to that woman to get her all riled up like that.

Besides, she still crossed the line.  In textbook legal definitions, the whole two or three law classes I had as an undergrad she committed an assault consumated by a battery.

Plain and simple, if you ask me.

When responders in this thread say that cell phone guy mouthed off to Crazy Woman, it's almost like they are turning the tables on who the victim actually is in this case, like they are rationalizing Tiny's and Crazy Woman's behavior.

Huh?

They might as well be saying "Cell phone guy had it coming."

What!

Anywhooo... I don't want any of those posters to be a witness, ANYWHERE!

Jeeeesssshhhhh.....

Besides, the more and more I watch this video, the more and more I get the impression that Crazy Woman and Tiny were out looking for a fight anyway......

And the "I'm to absorbed in my cell phone conversation guy" was like that gimpey zebra out on the Serengetti, and Crazy Woman and Tiny were like hienas or lions, and they smelled blood already...

[Hazcat]

DON"T "SIR" ME, SLICK!  I actually work for a living and both of my parents were married, to each other when I was born!




Old Drill Sergeant rant. 

I think your take on the bad actors is pretty much spot on.  Most likely the cell phone dude did say something to whomever he was talking to but they were looking for a victum and he fit the mold.

Me?  Had I been there and carrying I would have pulled, shouted stop and shot the bastard.  Unarmed?  I'd looked for something to hit him with.  (Hey, I'm old!)

Happy outcome with the law or not, I'm still gonna be a sheepdog.

[twyacht]

Hey Tyler and welcome to this forum, I would have called 911 AS I WAS LEAVING. Either one of those "big" aggravating people could not catch me on the run. I would never have let the big man that close to me.

Should they have followed me to my car, and continued in a threatening manner, that would be different, I would feel that "big" man wasn't coming to apologize, and being bigger than me would feel my life was in danger.

I would have defended myself, my P3AT would feel even smaller than it is, however 6+1 of Rem Golden Sabers on a "big" knot head or center mass would at least change his attitude quickly. I would really like a S&W 500 on such a "BIG" target, but not really practical for CCW. Oh, and a reload really, really quickly. With 6 more.

I hope I never have to go into that "mode" like a light switch and defend myself with potentially lethal force, but I train myself often, listen to more experienced instructors in SD, practice, practice, practice,  and will defend myself if required.

Welcome again, you will enjoy this forum more than any other. 
Take Care

Tom W.

[force_quit]

1) Out the other exit while looking out for the rest of the posse.
2) 911


BTW, FOUR YEARS?? WTF? That light of a sentence is a second crime