Obama scoffs the Bible

[alfsauve]

I believe at the same lectern he also said that the US is no longer a Christian nation.   

For reference over 75% of the country identifies with either the Catholic or Protestant religions.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html#People

Maybe it's the Democratic Party's "new" math where 75% doesn't constitute a majority.

[Solus]

It sure sounds to me that folks who hold the belief that the US is a Christian Nation because the majority of the citizens are Christian are both asserting that Christianity is the State Religion and that our form of government is a Democracy rather than a Republic.

Because your group, be it a Religion, a Nationality or a political affiliation, is the majority does not give your group any greater rights, privileges  or freedom than a minority .

I have posted this before and I do so again.  Freedom of Religion must also mean freedom from Religion.  I do not mean as an atheist, but as any other religion who is not the "favored majority". 

Jews, Muslims Wiccans, Buddhists, American Indian, Satanists or any other minority Religion should not be required to pay tribute or follow the customs of the majority Religion.  Neither, of course, should they be given any special treatment because they are a minority.  Note that only Christians, Jews and Muslims believe in the same God referenced in "In God We Trust" or "One nation under God" .

Please note that I am not saying I condone or practice any of these Religions, but as long as they follow the law and do not infringe upon the rights of others, it is their business what they choose to believe.

As an extreme example, let us say we decided to allow the various Religions to take turns referencing their deity in the Pledge of Allegiance.
So, for some period of time, the the Pledge might read  "One nation under Satan".  As Christians have said, the non-Christians  can just not say that part or just not really believe it.  I think most folks would find this not acceptable. I do not.

Neither would Buddha, Sun Spirit, Earth Mother or what ever be acceptable.  On the same grounds, the deity of the majority faith should not be used in this context either.

[MikeBjerum]

Reply #1

I think I have been misunderstood by some.

I feel that in this day and age of political correctness the courts have ruled and many public servants, including public school members, have decided that we need to not allow public expression of Christianity, but it is ok to allow many diverse groups to express themselves.  It is ok to celebrate Kwanza (sp?) in public schools, but we need to have winter breaks and spring breaks rather than Christmas and Easter vacations.  It is ok for a Jew to pray to God, but if someone prays to the very same God in "Jesus name," a Christian prayer, it is an infringement on "separation of Church and State."

So as I said, in recent generations we have managed to work hard to create a freedom from Christianity in public life within the United States.

[MikeBjerum]

Reply #2

I am not overly fond of the categorization that the United States is a Christian Nation, as much as I would love for it to be so.  However, no one can deny the fact that a major reason for the first migrations to this continent were to flee religious persecution.  Many European leaders were forcing everyone to attend and support a given denomination, and these churches were puppets for the governments.  Religion was no longer serving God, but manipulating God and man to serve the greedy.

The fact that religious persecution was a leading factor in the migration and continued on to being a part of starting a new nation many, if not most, of our Founding Fathers were of Christian faith in Protestant churches.  Many were not only members but also leaders in their churches.  It was this moral foundation in the Judeo-Christian faith that not only was the basis for many of our laws, but is a major part of our Declaration of Independence, Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

So while it may be true that we are not a Christian nation, we were founded on Christian beliefs!

[Solus]

So while it may be true that we are not a Christian nation, we were founded on Christian beliefs!

And most of these same beliefs are common to many other religions. They are not valued because they are Christian, but because they respect the rights of others.

[Sponsor]

[PegLeg45]

Reply #2

I am not overly fond of the categorization that the United States is a Christian Nation, as much as I would love for it to be so.  However, no one can deny the fact that a major reason for the first migrations to this continent were to flee religious persecution.  Many European leaders were forcing everyone to attend and support a given denomination, and these churches were puppets for the governments.  Religion was no longer serving God, but manipulating God and man to serve the greedy.

The fact that religious persecution was a leading factor in the migration and continued on to being a part of starting a new nation many, if not most, of our Founding Fathers were of Christian faith in Protestant churches.  Many were not only members but also leaders in their churches.  It was this moral foundation in the Judeo-Christian faith that not only was the basis for many of our laws, but is a major part of our Declaration of Independence, Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

So while it may be true that we are not a Christian nation, we were founded on Christian beliefs!

+1...Well put, Sir...well put.

[Pathfinder]

And most of these same beliefs are common to many other religions. They are not valued because they are Christian, but because they respect the rights of others.

No they were valued because it was those overtly Christian beliefs and sentiments that built this country. Not the Jews, not the "religion of peace", not the Buddhists, not the Wiccans, not anybody else.

It was because of the persecution of the Quakers, Protestants (of various forms), and even the Catholics that many of the different colonies were founded. Of course we respect the others, but because you are different does not mean I have to celebrate you or your religion, just tolerate it.

M58 is right, Christianity, and Judaism too, has been targeted by the one-worlders in an attempt to destroy one of the foundations of this country. Careful, lest you tolerate yourself into a fascist secular state.

You've got to stand for something
     or you'll fall for anything.

[sanjuancb]

If you think that the founding fathers of our great nation were not Christians, and that we do not live in a Christian Nation, I highly recommend that you read Thomas Paine's Common Sense. It is chock full of biblical references, and it is obvious that Paine was a fervent Christian who based his decisions on a biblical foundation.

[Pathfinder]

If you think that the founding fathers of our great nation were not Christians, and that we do not live in a Christian Nation, I highly recommend that you read Thomas Paine's Common Sense. It is chock full of biblical references, and it is obvious that Paine was a fervent Christian who based his decisions on a biblical foundation.

Even a secular scientist like Ben Franklin knew that ultimately, it all stemmed from God. The Christian influence on this country is huge.

And yes, I am fully aware that a Jewish financier in Philadelphia helped bankroll the colonies when they had no other source of income. Perhaps he saw the value in supporting a group of Christians who were not going to put him in a ghetto, cuz they or their ancestors had managed to escape from persecution in Europe.

From the 1st 2 paragraphs of the US Declaration of Independence:

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

OK, the last highlight has nothing to do with God, but I just had to highlight it, as it is seminal.

[tombogan03884]

Even a secular scientist like Ben Franklin knew that ultimately, it all stemmed from God. The Christian influence on this country is huge.

And yes, I am fully aware that a Jewish financier in Philadelphia helped bankroll the colonies when they had no other source of income. Perhaps he saw the value in supporting a group of Christians who were not going to put him in a ghetto, cuz they or their ancestors had managed to escape from persecution in Europe.

From the 1st 2 paragraphs of the US Declaration of Independence:

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

OK, the last highlight has nothing to do with God, but I just had to highlight it, as it is seminal.

Solus will Please take note that these references DO NOT specify a particular GOD, and are used interchangably with "Creator" to which no one can take exception even today.