McCain - Palin 2008

[saltydogbk]

Come on folks.  yes McCain is not my top pick.  Palin isn't pick of the crop either.  But compared to Bho and Biden, hands down top pick.  We WILL lose our guns under the dems.  My sister is a koolaid drinker, can't even tell me what an assault weapon is, but they need to be banned.  Nobody needs an AK47.  So do not waste a vote by writing in Joe shit the rag man.  Beat Obama.  Beat Obama.  Beat Obama.  

[Fatman]

We have more to worry about than just Obo's domestic stance on firearms.  You know, something that hasn't really been  said yet - and has me even more worried than the liberal Dems in Congress trying to pass anti-gun or gun grabbing laws is who gets to appoint the next UN ambassador for the USA. I seem to recall the UN wants to pass an international law banning private ownership of firearms. And I seem to remember the only thing effectively stopping that initiative was the US.

Obama will roll over and allow that to pass.  Any of you in your military experience ever asked something along the lines of "if so ordered by your superiors, would you go door to door and confiscate weapons if International Law required it?" ?  My Special Forces brother-in-law was so asked in a written questionnaire handed out during the Clinton years.

If you're fence sitting or considering a protest vote, I suggest you just walk to your local law enforcement agency and turn in what you own.

One picture is worth...

 
Sculpture at the UN in NY

a thousand words...

NEW YORK – On the entrance path to the United Nations, it's hard to miss the large statue of a handgun whose barrel has been twisted into a knot – symbolizing eloquently the U.N.'s attitude toward the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

However, in opening the U.N. Small Arms Review Conference, Secretary-General Kofi Annan took pains to claim the conference's purpose was not to trump the Second Amendment with a U.N. international declaration with which the United States would have to comply.

"Let me note that this Review Conference is not negotiating a 'global gun ban,'" Annan insisted in a written statement, "nor do we wish to deny law-abiding citizens their right to bear arms in accordance with their natural laws."

Despite its being couched in United Nations' "bureaucratese," some experienced U.N. observers took Annan's statement as just further confirmation of the conference's true purpose – to abrogate the Second Amendment.

Indeed, the position of the United States was made unequivocally clear by Robert G. Joseph, undersecretary of state for arms control and international security, in his June 27 speech to the General Assembly on the second day of the small arms conference:

    The U.S. Constitution guarantees the rights of our citizens to keep and bear arms, and there will be no infringement of those rights. The United States will not agree to any provisions restricting civilian possession, use or legal trade of firearms inconsistent with our laws and practices. Many millions of American citizens enjoy hunting and the full range of firearm sports, and our work will not affect their rights and opportunities. As an officer of the executive branch of my government, I took an oath to protect the Constitution – a duty that is an honor to uphold.

Most of the conference consisted of two weeks of member states making proclamations in the General Assembly, almost completely intended as public posturing. Indeed, some of the most elaborate statements were carefully crafted by experienced public relations wordsmiths from the very states most active in profiting from and engaging in the true worldwide trade in illicit weapons.

But the real work went on behind the scenes, as conference participants labored to craft technical provisions whose ultimate impact would be to chip away at Second Amendment freedoms, while making equally sure no weapons get in the hands of oppressed peoples who might overthrow the corrupt, dictatorial regimes of the U.N. member states the technocrats were paid to protect.

During those backroom conferences closed to public view, technocrats spend countless hours arguing over drafts of conference resolutions whose true intent often belies the official U.N.-style language in which the resolutions themselves are drafted. Working papers typically are submitted by the gun-control-advocating NGOs (non-governmental organizations) who appoint themselves to participate as "expert advisers" – even though their true purpose remains the advancing of their anti-gun political agenda.

Largely due to U.S. unwillingness to compromise on Second Amendment issues, the conference ended without agreement on a final document. The final press release from the conference noted that Finland's speaker, on behalf of the European Union, expressed extreme disappointment, deploring "the lack of progress on the priority areas."

Even though the 2006 meeting ended in a technical failure to get a final document, the U.N. resolved to hold more meetings to advance the agenda of international gun control. Undeterred, Canada called for "an informal intercessional meeting of States to discuss concrete measures to accelerate implementation" to be held in Geneva in the spring or autumn of 2007.

Success in blocking any one United Nations small arms conference from abrogating the Second Amendment can at best be looked at as a U.S. holding action. The 2006 event was itself a follow-on conference to the previous conference on small arms held by the U.N. in 2001, and more attempts at global gun control will follow.

Remember this as well if you are considering wasting your vote.

[tombogan03884]

Come on folks.  yes McCain is not my top pick.  Palin isn't pick of the crop either.  But compared to Bho and Biden, hands down top pick.  We WILL lose our guns under the dems.  My sister is a koolaid drinker, can't even tell me what an assault weapon is, but they need to be banned.  Nobody needs an AK47.  So do not waste a vote by writing in Joe shit the rag man.  Beat Obama.  Beat Obama.  Beat Obama.  

[twyacht]

    The U.S. Constitution guarantees the rights of our citizens to keep and bear arms, and there will be no infringement of those rights. The United States will not agree to any provisions restricting civilian possession, use or legal trade of firearms inconsistent with our laws and practices. Many millions of American citizens enjoy hunting and the full range of firearm sports, and our work will not affect their rights and opportunities. As an officer of the executive branch of my government, I took an oath to protect the Constitution – a duty that is an honor to uphold.

I wish the UN would go to Tehran or perhaps Paris, and just go somewhere else.

This guy has balls, and more need to share his dedication to the US Constitution.

[Ron J]

yeah, info on the net is always correct... 


The more info I do gather on her, the less I like her.  I'm not talking about her kid getting knocked up... thats a family matter. Really it does not bother me, let her raise her kids the way she see's fit.  Now if she starts in on family values... blah, blah, blah.  Then it will bother me.

I've heard more then one person say, they are now going to vote for Obama, do to McCains choice in VP.  At this point, I'm really thinking about writing some one in, rather then vote for McCain or Obama.

Tab.... try multiple sources to find information.  Or, find another left leaning blog and divide it by two. 

Secondly, are you trolling for commentary by stating "the more info I gather on her, the less I like her"?  What is it you don't like?  Man up and share your information or remind me to ignore you and not to question your bullshit. 

So "more than one person" is going to vote for Obama due to McCain's VP selection?  Got news for you.  They were going to vote that way from the start.  Which brings about a big "so what?"

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[TAB]

Things I don't like...
let see to start lack of info on important issuses, yes I know she is some what pro gun... but what about things like:

Foriegn policy
immagration( both legal and illegal)
Employment( does she favor at will or right to work, employers must provide health care, min wage... etc, etc)
taxs ( pretty much covers all forms)


Those are the big four I would like to know about.

Now things I have learned about her that I don't care for.

Things she has done...

let see once again there is a big gap here, Plenty of useless info, like she was a sports reproter for a local news station, and a bueaty queen... both of those tell me next to nothing about her.  She use to hunt with her dad... its AK, every one use to hunt with thier dad.   I also found out she was one time a member of the AIP...  once again tells me nothing about her.

Inshort the more I search, the less useful info I can find... which is making me like her less and less.  Its as if she has something to hide. 


Something else that has been bothering me...   McCain said, that he picked her after meeting her only once. ( was in his speach when it annoucned her)  Would you go in to  a business partnership, with some one you only met once? ( yes I see the relationship between a P and a VP as a biz relationship)

[TAB]

The more I gather on her, the more I like her. I don't know why the liberal press (CNN) wants to keep going on about her anonymity or inexperience. Not that long ago, Kennedy couldn't even get Obama's name right. And as for Obama's experience, the guy started running for POTUS as soon as he became a Senator, so he really never experienced being a Senator either.

And sometimes when your kid makes a mistake, the best you can do is support them and help direct them in their next step. I'd say that it looks like Sarah is doing just that. And she can still start up on family values, because it is very apparent that she's got them in spades.

Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
Benjamin Franklin

I'm sorry, but getting pregant is not a mistake.  ( out side of a crimal act) you have to choose to have sex.  If you want to act like an adult, you must be willing to take the adult consciences.   

yes kids will be kids, but see above.

[Rob10ring]

I'm sorry, but getting pregant is not a mistake.  ( out side of a crimal act) you have to choose to have sex.  If you want to act like an adult, you must be willing to take the adult consciences.   

yes kids will be kids, but see above.

Her daughter made a choice that was a mistake. She shouldn't have been having sex, but she did. That can't be changed. It is very clear that she is accepting the CONSEQUENCES.

[Ron J]

Tab ... Thanks for the update.  I will see if by this weekend I can dig some answers up. 

My first impression ... based on her two years as the AK Gov', Palin is that she is more of a fiscal conservative than McCain and is more aligned with a conservative/right platform and values than McCain (not too hard to imagine).  My understanding of her position on the "war on terror" is that she agrees with McCain that we need to kill some bad guys who will not play well with others.  Pretty clear on her 2nd Amendment position and her stance of being pro-life.  Immigration has two sides that are both wrong and are both right.  Bottom line it’s a mess and McCain/Palin need to fix it and to this, I would like to see what they plan to do. 

Given the choices we have with Obama vs. McCain and the choices McCain had for a VP, Palin is solid.  Your concern on McCain only “meeting her once” is understandable.  However with all the vetting that was done by the McCain team, it’s a non-issue.  And yes, in business you can meet someone once and after you check their references you can make a qualified decision as to hire them.  Too difficult to arrange calendars and set up meetings to fulfill a said quota for “face time”. 

As to her kid getting pregnant, it's really not a relevant to how Sarah Palin governs.  Her daughter made a mistakes (bad judgment = mistake).  Like any mistake, its how people deal with it that will determine their character.  From what I have heard, the Palin’s have stepped up to the plate and are dealing with the consequences.  In contrast, several months ago Obama stated that he wanted to have the option of abortion open and on the table for his girls so they should not have to “make a mistake and have a child”.  You can bet that the “You Tube” clip of that will be dancing around the screen shortly. 

The AIP piece you mentioned …. Where did you get that from?

[TAB]

The AIP refernce came from a NPR or CPR( same thing only one is state and the other in national I really don't remember as at that time was one top of a 12 ladder cutting in some crown. )  Not 100% reliable, but in this case they were talking about her running for some small town city councel, on some sales tax deal platform that was unliked... blah blah blah... 1992, blah,blah, blah... So i'm pretty sure its solid.