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Re: When is a rifle not a rifle?
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2018, 04:58:12 PM »
Old idea.  I believe it was originally called a Blunderbuss.
 
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Re: When is a rifle not a rifle?
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2018, 02:19:57 PM »
While on the legality subject, one of my anti-gun friends posted one of the videos showing a guy cutting up his AR.   Without stepping into the politics, I pointed out the guy had only cut the barrel and fore-end,  that the "gun", the lower was still intact.  Also the gun would still fire, albeit single action.   

BUT, the big no-no was he had just illegally converted his  AR into an SBR.  A gun design that by law is viewed as more dangerous than its previous configuration.
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Re: When is a rifle not a rifle?
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2018, 08:10:16 AM »
Just came across this thread and read it:

Just because you can doesn't mean you should!

An example of people trying to make products that skirt the law, and the government wasting time trying to figure out what it is and isn't.  Even worse, we are spending time debating smooth, rifle twist, no rifle twist, accuracy, want, don't want, ...

The neat thing about the internet and all the "stuff" on here, but the thing I often forget, is that there is an OFF button.
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Re: When is a rifle not a rifle?
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2018, 10:40:33 PM »
Just came across this thread and read it:

Just because you can doesn't mean you should!

An example of people trying to make products that skirt the law, and the government wasting time trying to figure out what it is and isn't.  Even worse, we are spending time debating smooth, rifle twist, no rifle twist, accuracy, want, don't want, ...

The neat thing about the internet and all the "stuff" on here, but the thing I often forget, is that there is an OFF button.

For once I totally disagree with you. You call it skirting the law. I call it conforming to the law. Since we can only own firearms that our government allows us to own, I say the more types we can own, and the less restrictions on us to buy them, the better. I'm not rushing out to buy one of these non-rifle firearms, just like I haven't bought a 14" barreled 12 gauge non-shotgun firearm. I may buy one of each, but now that I see some of my fellow firearms owners are against us being allowed to own these firearms, I'll wait and see what happens. Their status may change, like those super-dangerous destructive devices known as street sweepers. Heaven forbid we're allowed to own firearms that don't conform to your opinion of what we should own, or that don't fit some bureaucrat's definition of sporting purposes.
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Re: When is a rifle not a rifle?
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2018, 08:22:27 PM »
There's not enough recoil with my 7" AR pistol to need to shoulder it, and if I did shoulder it in a SHTF moment, that is the least of my concerns.
With a foam pad around the buffer tube, I get a perfect cheek weld on the pad that aligns my eye perfectly with the green dot in the scope. With a solid push/pull two handed grip and a good cheek weld, I have no issues with double, triple, quad taps and 20 rd mag dumps.

As others have said, YMMV........just offering an opinion based on what works for me.


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Re: When is a rifle not a rifle?
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Re: When is a rifle not a rifle?
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2018, 11:44:05 PM »
While on the legality subject, one of my anti-gun friends posted one of the videos showing a guy cutting up his AR.   Without stepping into the politics, I pointed out the guy had only cut the barrel and fore-end,  that the "gun", the lower was still intact.  Also the gun would still fire, albeit single action.   

BUT, the big no-no was he had just illegally converted his  AR into an SBR.  A gun design that by law is viewed as more dangerous than its previous configuration.

That seems to be a popular thing to do these days. But it must be okay if no one is getting arrested for it, like this woman running for Congress. If they can get away with it, then I should be able to make my own SBR instead of buying an expensive not-a-rifle. Feel free to notify the ATF tip line about her crime. https://www.atf.gov/atf-tips


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Re: When is a rifle not a rifle?
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2018, 01:15:38 PM »
I do NOT know what will come of it but the ATF did announce they were going to investigate this particular case.
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Re: When is a rifle not a rifle?
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2019, 10:15:44 PM »
I do NOT know what will come of it but the ATF did announce they were going to investigate this particular case.

Yes. Finally.
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Re: When is a rifle not a rifle?
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2020, 12:37:48 AM »
The ATF has now decided that the Reformation is not a rifle as defined in the GCA and NFA. And because it's not chambered for shotgun shells, it is not a shotgun as defined in the NFA. But it is classified as a shotgun that is subject to the provisions of the GCA. So it's an SBS that's not even a shotgun, and no one can transfer them except from dealer to dealer. We'll see where this goes now. The way everyone uses pistol braces for stocks, why not just let us put stocks on pistols and not make these? I'm surprised pistol braces that can be shouldered haven't been banned. Or all AR type pistols.
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